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Old 10-19-2012, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Especially at CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, NYTimes, Newsweek, Time magazine, most university professors, and some public school teachers. I wonder if San Francisco and Berkeley will hold a memorial? I know Miami will hold a street fair celebration.
You forgot Hollywood.
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:06 AM
 
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:10 AM
 
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But Fidel Castro's death might be just the "tipping point" or excuse that his brother and other relatives need to finally liberalize the Cuban system. Once the old man is gone, he won't know or care what happens.
Hopefully the Cubanos in Miami will support lifting the embargo. Once the embargo is lifted you will see Cuban become more liberalized.
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Hopefully the Cubanos in Miami will support lifting the embargo. Once the embargo is lifted you will see Cuban become more liberalized.
The Cubans need more democracy and more capitalism. Lifting the embargo will do that.
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:14 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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That's great news!
If you think so, maybe you should suffer one to see what it's like?
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:18 AM
 
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Probably one of the reasons Fidel was able to hold power with a communist dictatorship for so long was because of the US embargo. Had the US had economic ties with Cuba years ago--eventually the flood of US dollars into that economy would've possibly changed the system. Or it'd be closer to China and Vietnam at this point if it even remained communist. But because Cuba was effectively shut off from it's closest and most natural trading partner, the Cubans were basically looking for Soviet handouts for years--and then after that just went for the Canadian and European tourist dollar. For all those years though, Cubans were poor enough that the relative security of Castro's system was basically all they had.

It was probably the most ineffective embargo at weakening a presumed enemy in the history of embargos... Castro outlasted everyone. Funny though, that we were willing to do business with all our other communist foes once the Cold War thawed out--Vietnam, China, Russia and so on---along with a ton of corrupt Middle East, African and other Latin American dictatorships. However our grudge against Castro lasted til basically the brink of his death. Those old Cuban exiles really held the staus quo against their mortal enemy until the end--so much so that Cuba is one of the few places on Earth that the federal government actually restricts the right of US citizens to travel to--except for the Cuban exiles who get a couple daily flights from Miami if they want to go back.
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:18 AM
 
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The Cubans need more democracy and more capitalism. Lifting the embargo will do that.
Try to convince the Cubanos in Miami that and we might see some progress. Unfortunately, many of them have resentmet towards the Cubans that stayed in Cuba and consider them traitors so they want them to suffer, kinda sad when you think abou it.
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Try to convince the Cubanos in Miami that and we might see some progress.
I can't say that I blame them for holding a grudge, though.
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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You forgot Hollywood.
Oh, I'm so sorry. How could I have forgotten Hollywood? After all, they're the ones who're welcomed with open arms whenever they visit Cuba and still celebrate Che' with complimentary movies about his life and fashion prints of his face.
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:22 AM
 
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I can't say that I blame them for holding a grudge, though.
I feel sorry for anyone who holds a 50 year old grudge. I don't understand holding a grudge against everyday Cuban citizens. They need to take up their beef with the regime and not the people.
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