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Old 10-27-2012, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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I don't think the current Republican Party is sustainable. The party used to be about moderation, about fiscal conservatism and some classical liberalism (e.g. not legislating things that need no legislation). Look at John McCain pre-2008, or some of the more libertarian-leaning members of the party. I feel like the party has slowly been moving more to the right, mainly on social issues, and that the moderates in the party are being ignored and drowned out by the religious right.

Does anyone else think the party will split relatively soon? I imagine a "New Republican" or "New Conservative" party made up of people who believe in more limited government as well as less social restrictions; sort of like the Libertarian party in other words, except with regards to economic policy. Or, likewise, there could be a new Conservative party that embraces the current far-right, leaving the current GOP to go back to its ways.

I actually really hope that this happens. I'm generally not a big fan of the Democratic Party or Democrats, but at least they align with my social values a lot more than the current Republican Party. The old GOP would have been fine by me, but the current one is so full of overly religious, old-school conservatives who don't believe in rape or abortion or gay marriage or drug legalization or anything progressive that I just can't, in good conscience, support it.
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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If they lose this direction, there will likely be a split, possibly along the lines of libertarian and what passes for a modern day conservative.

In my mind, conservative means limited government, it doesn't mean outlawing abortion, limiting personal freedom, and things like that.
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:47 AM
 
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It isn't sustainable, but it will not split. It will have to bottom out as a national party and then rebuild. I can't see the elements of the party in the Deep South and rural Midwest moderating and rejecting racial prejudice, so I think change will eventually come from the Northeast, Pacific Coast and Rocky Mountain regions. People forget that the strain of conservatism in places like Wyoming, Montana and Colorado is different than in Southern states and the rural Midwest. It's a bit more libertarian and less of the fundy-social nannyism you see in other places on the right.
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Apple Valley Calif
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I don't think the current Republican Party is sustainable. The party used to be about moderation, about fiscal conservatism and some classical liberalism (e.g. not legislating things that need no legislation). Look at John McCain pre-2008, or some of the more libertarian-leaning members of the party. I feel like the party has slowly been moving more to the right, mainly on social issues, and that the moderates in the party are being ignored and drowned out by the religious right.

Does anyone else think the party will split relatively soon? I imagine a "New Republican" or "New Conservative" party made up of people who believe in more limited government as well as less social restrictions; sort of like the Libertarian party in other words, except with regards to economic policy. Or, likewise, there could be a new Conservative party that embraces the current far-right, leaving the current GOP to go back to its ways.

I actually really hope that this happens. I'm generally not a big fan of the Democratic Party or Democrats, but at least they align with my social values a lot more than the current Republican Party. The old GOP would have been fine by me, but the current one is so full of overly religious, old-school conservatives who don't believe in rape or abortion or gay marriage or drug legalization or anything progressive that I just can't, in good conscience, support it.
You should be writing fiction. The Republican party, the party of the next president after Nov 6, will be around strong for a lot longer than you or I will be. You wasted so much time writing all of that, go rest your weary fingers and try to think more clearly before you put fingers to keyboard...
Your chances of winning the lottery are far better than any split in the Republican party.
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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It isn't sustainable, but it will not split. It will have to bottom out as a national party and then rebuild. I can't see the elements of the party in the Deep South and rural Midwest moderating and rejecting racial prejudice, so I think change will eventually come from the Northeast, Pacific Coast and Rocky Mountain regions. People forget that the strain of conservatism in places like Wyoming, Montana and Colorado is different than in Southern states and the rural Midwest. It's a bit more libertarian and less of the fundy-social nannyism you see in other places on the right.
Thats what the Whigs said in the 1850's.
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:49 AM
 
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This makes about as much sense as claiming the Democratic party will split into libertarians and communists..
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Default Do you think the Republican Party will split? When? How?

It's already splitting.

They're in the process of chasing out anyone who isn't either a blindly radical religious freakazoid or wealthy neocon. I hope these two groups are happy together. They seem to be.

It's why I'm no longer a Republican.
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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This makes about as much sense as claiming the Democratic party will split into libertarians and communists..
Heres the thing, just about every registered democrat supports social security and medicare.

The Republican party, is essentially split on that issue.

Thats where the division has started. Some Republicans simply want to pay for these programs, others want to end them.
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:52 AM
 
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You should be writing fiction. The Republican party, the party of the next president after Nov 6, will be around strong for a lot longer than you or I will be. You wasted so much time writing all of that, go rest your weary fingers and try to think more clearly before you put fingers to keyboard...
Your chances of winning the lottery are far better than any split in the Republican party.
Even the Republican intelligentsia has acknowledged this will be the final campaign in which the GOP can play the prejudice card tricks. With the way demographics are changing in this country, the old strategies are just about used up. I see no reason to believe the GOP will be able to adapt in four years and suddenly present a product that is appealing to minorities.

Again, you've made your bed and now you will have to sleep in it for awhile. Probably a long while as a regional party. One capable of winning the House at times, but not the Senate or presidency until it purges the imbeciles from positions of influence. That will take a whole lot of purging.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Houston
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No, it will not split. They cannot win elections if they split. The classical liberals and social conservatives know that they need each other to prevent the "progress" of the godless socialists.

Do you think the pro-labor Democrats and pro-diversity Democrats might split?
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