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Old 04-06-2023, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Moving Ohio to #10 is in the correct direction. In fact I'd move it to #12. A city like Austin emerging in Ohio? That would never happen in a million years.
While not near on the level of Austin, Columbus has shifted pretty strongly to the Democrats. Franklin County went from a county Gore won by 1 point in 2000 to one Biden won by 31 points, suburban Delaware County while still Republican has trended pretty heavily towards the Democrats as well. With that said the Dem trend in the Columbus metro isn't enough to make up for the GOP trends elsewhere in the state. In Texas, it isn't just the Austin area that has shifted Democratic, so I would agree with the thought that Ohio has moved to the right of Texas,

 
Old 04-06-2023, 03:05 PM
 
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Michigan has nowhere like Austin (which as an aside, isn't large enough to flip Texas on its own) and the state is rather similar to Ohio in terms of their demographics and economy. But the political environment is very different as Democrats control all the major offices in the state. Maybe the neighbor to the north could have some lessons to offer Democrats in Ohio.
Rural Ohio is much more like Kentucky and West Virginia than Michigan. It's only the cities that have any significant Democratic population.
 
Old 04-07-2023, 07:45 AM
 
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It’s the 13th largest city in the U.S. and is closing in on a population of 1 million (958k + in 2022).

It was the only city over 290k in population that grew by more than 1.8 % in population between 2020 and 2021.

It may (who knows ***shrug***) eventually pass Austin in population (Austin’s 2021 population was 964k +).

Texas is the only state with six cities (add El Paso) over 650k in population.
That's only because Ft Worth has a large land area. It's really misleading to rank by city rather than metro area. Jacksonville, FL for example is the 12th largest city in the country but the Jacksonville metro area comes in 39th. Washington DC only has 689,000 residents, but the DC metro is in 6th place at over 6 million. Drive around Ft Worth and then try driving around DC, and you'll get the picture.
 
Old 04-07-2023, 08:23 AM
 
Location: NJ
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North Jersey is more liberal than Central and South Jersey.. The closer you get to NY the more liberal.
Northeast NJ is the liberal stronghold, newark and camden turn the elections blue. northwest NJ conservative.

NJ lacks political diversity and the result is an economic, environmental, legislative disaster frought with legacy municipal corruption.

NJ now besieged by fleeing NYers. 50s bungalows in central Nj going for 450K plus, selling within days of being on the market.

Likely bringing blue politics into strong repub areas.

God knows how many illegals and terrorists are here, by invitation of Murphy.

Nj has had the distinction of the 'most densely populated state. While another state may have more people, NJ has them packed in tighter than any other state. Can you say redirected aggression? No whales allowed!
 
Old 04-10-2023, 02:11 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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Austin, Dallas, Houston San Antonio and Ft.Worth. With El Paso coming on with it.
Each of those are world class cities. (If you've never been to a world class city)
 
Old 04-12-2023, 02:47 PM
 
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Northeast NJ is the liberal stronghold, newark and camden turn the elections blue. northwest NJ conservative.

NJ lacks political diversity and the result is an economic, environmental, legislative disaster frought with legacy municipal corruption.

NJ now besieged by fleeing NYers. 50s bungalows in central Nj going for 450K plus, selling within days of being on the market.

Likely bringing blue politics into strong repub areas.

God knows how many illegals and terrorists are here, by invitation of Murphy.

Nj has had the distinction of the 'most densely populated state. While another state may have more people, NJ has them packed in tighter than any other state. Can you say redirected aggression? No whales allowed!
Even Central NJ is very liberal/Democratic with Rutgers and RWJ, Princeton and the Asian population in the area. They might not be all into pronouns like people in the Bay Area, but they were likely Murphy's strong supporters for his re-election.

Some of those from that area like to mask still and be Debbie Downer like and say things like Covid is still around and the next pandemic is right around the corner in social gatherings. They were those types who refused to meet up in person until everyone else did.

If it wasn't for the outside world opening up, they'd still be quarantining themselves, using Zoom to see friends than meeting up in person, and not questioning it and solely following the guidance or practices of CDC, conventional doctors and virologists, and large healthcare systems. The strange thing is many of these people aren't that old or immunocompromised but hold a lot of fear of covid.
 
Old 05-01-2023, 08:16 PM
 
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That's only because Ft Worth has a large land area. It's really misleading to rank by city rather than metro area. Jacksonville, FL for example is the 12th largest city in the country but the Jacksonville metro area comes in 39th. Washington DC only has 689,000 residents, but the DC metro is in 6th place at over 6 million. Drive around Ft Worth and then try driving around DC, and you'll get the picture.
I agree. It’s the growth of the metros that’s transforming America, not just the core city in those metros.

IMO, Ft. Worth should be viewed as part of the Dallas-Fort Worth metro instead of a separate entity.

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Old 05-05-2023, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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I agree. It’s the growth of the metros that’s transforming America, not just the core city in those metros.

IMO, Ft. Worth should be viewed as part of the Dallas-Fort Worth metro instead of a separate entity.
More specifically, I think there's huge growth in all the micro-metro areas of the nation.
There are hundreds of small cities- only slightly larger than villages- that are the central service hubs of their surrounding areas.

Some of them are suburbs for the big city that lies on the other side of the hill, just over the horizon.

They're all small-town metros. And have seen high growth from folks who fled Covid in the city and moved into the country. And once there, decided they liked small-town life.

All of the city folks who have made this move brought their lifelong habits and civic demands with them when they arrived.

Those newcomers do create a lot of change in their new home towns. And they'll vote in this upcoming election.
It's going to be very interesting for me to see how all these folks will change 2024. Or not. This scattering is something that is new to our politics.
 
Old 05-06-2023, 07:14 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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I think Florida is the most conservative big state now, thanks to COVID.
 
Old 05-07-2023, 03:22 PM
 
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I think Florida is the most conservative big state now, thanks to COVID.
It depends on what you call a big state. If you call Ohio big it could be Ohio.

The reason why the Democrats routinely win the popular vote is they win their big states by far greater margins than the Republicans win theirs.

Here are some of the margins from 2020:

California: D+ 29.15%
New York: D+ 23.09%
Illinois: D+16.97%
New Jersey: D+ 15.89%
Massachusetts: 33.46%

Ohio : R+ 8.02%
Texas: R+ 5.58%
Florida: R+ 3.35%
North Carolina: R+1.37%

There isn’t a large state, population wise, where the R’s won by double-digits in 2020, unless I’m overlooking one.

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