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Yeah...I see another who has never met a REAL MAN before. I'm nothing special or different if you move to the right places in the Country.
I love "real men," as you are using the term. Of course, I don't think I ever heard any of them, especially those with the most traditional kind of masculinity, talk about it. They would consider that something really weird to do.
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A little one? LMAO That is the weakest FAMOUS line of them all.
People are normally defensive for obvious reasons.
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You can't even be a man anymore without somebody accusing you of that.
Your experience of being a man is not the only way manhood is constituted. Only children think in this way.
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Pathetic......
I couldn't agree more.
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By chance WHICH coast do you live on?
You give it away.....
Until 6 years ago, I lived in the absolute best area of the country, somewhere between the two coasts. Not surprisingly, you are wrong yet again.
I love "real men," as you are using the term. Of course, I don't think I ever heard any of them, especially those with the most traditional kind of masculinity, talk about it. They would consider that something really weird to do.
People are normally defensive for obvious reasons.
Your experience of being a man is not the only way manhood is constituted. Only children think in this way.
I couldn't agree more.
Until 6 years ago, I lived in the absolute best area of the country, somewhere between the two coasts. Not surprisingly, you are wrong yet again.
LOL Only like everyday ALL day! At work, at home....in the Gun room here, Automotive..... WE think it's weird when guys talk all this smack but NEVER post there....Right guys?
If you are asking when the APA stopped regarding homosexuality as a mental disorder, it was in 1973, as a past poster has said.
What's more critical is the view of homosexuality among the public rather than specialists. I think the ardent support today for same-sex marriage is due to the successful re-framing of it by the homosexualist camp as an issue of equality rather than morality. Homosexuality used to be almost synonymous with "pedophilia" in the public imagination, and pedophilia even today is abhorred. Beginning in the 1980s, many TV shows began to include homosexual characters; there was also the AIDS epidemic, which inspired pity in many Americans (but reinforced the abhorrence among many others). The number of TV shows with homosexual characters increased over the 1990s, perhaps culminating with Ellen DeGeneres's coming out on prime-time TV. As a result (obviously, probably not this alone caused it), there was a domino effect of homosexuals coming out of the closet. The image of homosexuality held by the general public changed from the anonymous monster preying on young boys of the 1950's to the still anonymous flamboyant drag queen marching in the gay pride parade of the 1980's to otherwise "normal", decent people - work colleagues, friends, cousins - who just happened to be attracted to the same sex in the 2000's. Homosexuals were a horrendous abstraction in the 1950's, but by the 1990's and 2000's, people could put a face to the word "gay" (because "gay" sounds so much better than "homosexual").
The homosexual crowd did not seem to REALLY clamor loudly for marriage rights (in the U.S.) until the early 2000's. It was then that the idea of same-sex "marriage" seemed a possibility to the normal person rather than far-flung nonsense. People - especially women, who tend to be more emotional and less rational than men - thought that it wasn't fair that two men or two women "in love" with one another - members of the pairs often coming from their family, colleagues, friends - could not have the rights of marriage. Maybe part of this was that the whole idea of "marriage" had underwent a transition from a permanent contract to bind together families, create economic well-being, and ensure that the offspring was raised by both a father and a mother to the same, but this time based on the mutual erotic "love" of a man and woman, to just a relationship based on "love", not necessarily permanent, nor strictly linked to child-bearing, and economically detrimental (at least initially) to both partners.
If you are asking when the APA stopped regarding homosexuality as a mental disorder, it was in 1973, as a past poster has said.
What's more critical is the view of homosexuality among the public rather than specialists. I think the ardent support today for same-sex marriage is due to the successful re-framing of it by the homosexualist camp as an issue of equality rather than morality. Homosexuality used to be almost synonymous with "pedophilia" in the public imagination, and pedophilia even today is abhorred. Beginning in the 1980s, many TV shows began to include homosexual characters; there was also the AIDS epidemic, which inspired pity in many Americans (but reinforced the abhorrence among many others). The number of TV shows with homosexual characters increased over the 1990s, perhaps culminating with Ellen DeGeneres's coming out on prime-time TV. As a result (obviously, probably not this alone caused it), there was a domino effect of homosexuals coming out of the closet. The image of homosexuality held by the general public changed from the anonymous monster preying on young boys of the 1950's to the still anonymous flamboyant drag queen marching in the gay pride parade of the 1980's to otherwise "normal", decent people - work colleagues, friends, cousins - who just happened to be attracted to the same sex in the 2000's. Homosexuals were a horrendous abstraction in the 1950's, but by the 1990's and 2000's, people could put a face to the word "gay" (because "gay" sounds so much better than "homosexual").
The homosexual crowd did not seem to REALLY clamor loudly for marriage rights (in the U.S.) until the early 2000's. It was then that the idea of same-sex "marriage" seemed a possibility to the normal person rather than far-flung nonsense. People - especially women, who tend to be more emotional and less rational than men - thought that it wasn't fair that two men or two women "in love" with one another - members of the pairs often coming from their family, colleagues, friends - could not have the rights of marriage. Maybe part of this was that the whole idea of "marriage" had underwent a transition from a permanent contract to bind together families, create economic well-being, and ensure that the offspring was raised by both a father and a mother to the same, but this time based on the mutual erotic "love" of a man and woman, to just a relationship based on "love", not necessarily permanent, nor strictly linked to child-bearing, and economically detrimental (at least initially) to both partners.
I think I've seen 4 or 5 gay men since 2009 IRL here. No kidding....not even close to kidding.
First of all, I have already tried posting this topic in Psychology, and I was told that it belongs here.
I believe that all human beings have a natural aversion to the idea of homosexuality. It is the same feeling that any normal person would have towards anyone with a mental disorder. It is natural to feel empathy and even pity towards them.
But suddenly it has been labelled as politically incorrect to feel this way. Now it is even politically correct to call it hateful if anyone expresses that feeling.
Ten years ago this was the norm, however. So I don't believe that all the self-described "gay supporters" are being honest when they say that they don't feel this aversion as well.
How did this change happen so quickly and why?
Oh, I don't know. Sometime in the past 3 decades perhaps?
LOL Only like everyday ALL day! At work, at home....in the Gun room here, Automotive..... WE think it's weird when guys talk all this smack but NEVER post there....Right guys?
Sh*tters!!
Please tell me you are drinking. Otherwise, you are showing signs of a stroke.
I can always TELL whether you other people can or not. Fruity Foo Foo!
Uh huh.
Assuming that you've seen at least a few hundred other men in your life, and made assumptions about the sexuality of each, how did you confirm your hypothesis? That's a lot of "research".
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Walk up to anyone on the street of the same gender and ask them out. I'm guessing you'll find out how many people are opposed to it. I'm guessing it's pretty high.
Is it any wonder...
Do people think?
Are people capable of thinking?
If we are trying to determine how many people are opposed to homosexuality walking up and asking them out would be totally pointless.
If a guy asked me, a guy, out I would decline. Not because I am opposed to homosexuality, but because I'm not homosexual.
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