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Founding fathers weren't ditto heads... a world y'all seem to want to live in. Take this for example:
"Above all things I hope the education of the common people will be attended to ; convinced that on their good sense we may rely with the most security for the preservation of a due degree of liberty."
- Thomas Jefferson, 1787
Sounds like a socialist?
No the Founding fathers wanted the states to deal with own education not the feds that force education or the feds that tax people and take money and through it at education programs in state.
Well Bush was spending a lot money on education to give to the states. The Founding fathers wanted education to be state matter not feds .
No the Founding fathers wanted the states to deal with own education not the feds that force education or the feds that tax people and take money and through it at education programs in state.
Founders didn't trust states. They accepted some compromises however, mostly on good will. In fact, I will quote James Madison on it:
"I cannot see any reason against obtaining even a double security on those points; and nothing can give a more sincere proof of the attachment of those who opposed this constitution to these great and important rights, than to see them join in obtaining the security I have now proposed; because it must be admitted, on all hands, that the State Governments are as liable to attack the invaluable privileges as the General Government is, and therefore ought to be as cautiously guarded against."
In fact, US Constitution was designed to centralize more power, not lessen it.
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Well Bush was spending a lot money on education to give to the states. The Founding fathers wanted education to be state matter not feds .
I don't see the founders being emphatic about states to be in-charge of education. And if that were the case, why would Thomas Jefferson send that message to James Madison when neither was working for a state government but concerned with central government? Got ANY explanation for it? Here is another influential person from the time:
"A nation under a well regulated government, should permit none to remain uninstructed. It is monarchical and aristocratical government only that requires ignorance for its support."
- Thomas Paine, 1792
No the founding fathers did not enact prohibition of alcohol that was enact in the 20's.
The founding fathers wanted the states to act more like countries than state.
The problem is the FED. The federal government has unlimited spending power since the Fed monetizes government debt so a state offered money to comply with a standard will do it. Here is how the state can secede from the monetary union.
step one:
Created a state charted bank. This will allow the bank to finance its own infrastructure. With high unemployment credit creation of in state projects will add enough money to the state so that it runs and build its infrastructure.
What do you do when the Feds create too much money bloating your states asset prices?
Step two:
Tax principle. If someone borrows 500k to further bloat asset prices at ridiculously low interest rates a 100 to 200 basis point tax will change the effective interest rate and put a lid on national insanity.
No, your steps when dancing to the steps are your very own. I won't put it any other way.
That doesn't make any sense. I am a ditto head to myself? Are you high?
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Oh, did you know there was ample disagreements between the founders? Nope, as I see it. Hence, your presumption of them being ditto-heads.
Sure, they had disagreements, but they weren't advocating the tyranny you do. We killed for liberty and here you are attempting to imply that they would be accepting of a government that rivals that of King George in some of its dictates.
The problem is the FED. The federal government has unlimited spending power since the Fed monetizes government debt so a state offered money to comply with a standard will do it. Here is how the state can secede from the monetary union.
step one:
Created a state charted bank. This will allow the bank to finance its own infrastructure. With high unemployment credit creation of in state projects will add enough money to the state so that it runs and build its infrastructure.
What do you do when the Feds create too much money bloating your states asset prices?
That would be a direct violation of Article 1 section 8 of the constitution
Specifically it violates the power of Congress in this enumerated power.
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To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
You can't complain about the FedGov violating the COTUS if your solution to fix the FedGov violating the COTUS is to violate the COTUS, in that instance just get rid of it and start over.
One point I'd like to make too, is that the Founders are NOT necessarily the same people as wrote the COTUS, they would be the Framers. Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Patrick Henry, John Hancock and Samuel Adams were not present during the Philadelphia Convention because of either matters of state (Jefferson and John Adams), refusal to participate Henry, or other reasons (the remainder). Madison while considered a founder Jeffersons protege, and author of the COTUS signed neither the Articles of Confederation, nor the Declaration of Independence, but was a signatory of the COTUS.
Although Hamilton is certainly considered one of the leaders of the creation of the COTUS, his first attempt at taxation led to the Whiskey Rebellion, which required mobilization of the Militia under George Washington to put it down.
Interestingly at the time of the creation of the COTUS, the Federal Government levied a tax against the states that was so unpopular it led to a rebellion. Indeed part of this unpopularity was because of the policy of assumption, the Federal Government assumed States debts that were run up during the revolutionary war, and needed to pay them off. In many of the Appalachian states there was minimal debt or they were debt free, and the unpopularity was they saw this as them paying off the debt of profligate states in the North East who's support the Federal Government had bought by assuming the debt.
The more things change... The more they stay the same...
No the founding fathers did not enact prohibition of alcohol that was enact in the 20's.
The founding fathers wanted the states to act more like countries than state.
Not quite. States have certain powers and the federal government has others. Yet, no state can breach Certain fundamental boundaries. The 14th Amendment made sure that all rights throughout the land apply to all.
Courts have repeatedly given Congress wide discretion under the commerce clause to form national policies.
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