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Every time a "moderate" Republocan has been nominated they have been clobbered. Bob Dole in 1996, McCain in 2008, and now Romney in 2012. Nominating another RINO isn't going to get them the White House unless things just get so bad under Obama there is a reversal of 2008 in that people vote Republican no matter what because they want change. Liberals want Republicans to abandon the religious right and support abortion and gay marriage while pushing a fiscal conservative position. The GOP has one big problem though. The Christian Right will not compromise on those two issues and Republicans can not win a national election without support of the Christian right. What might work is for the GOP to do a better job at reaching out to conservative black and Latino voters, two blocks that have variety of political beliefs but are monoliths for the Democrats. How this can be done I don't know.
Oh no, the Republican Party will stick around and they will probably fair pretty well in non-presidential election years because that is usually when the Democrats have a harder time getting their base out to vote. Now if the Republicans want to win a presidential election they will need to abandon their far right, force out some of their more extreme members in the primary races and move more to the middle with the rest of the country.
This and they'll continue to do well in many state level elections. The GOP will become a regional entity for a decade or two then the next big realignment will come along. Or arachnid aliens from the Klendathu system will devour us all, whichever comes first.
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Originally Posted by bchris02
The GOP has one big problem though. The Christian Right will not compromise on those two issues and Republicans can not win a national election without support of the Christian right. What might work is for the GOP to do a better job at reaching out to conservative black and Latino voters, two blocks that have variety of political beliefs but are monoliths for the Democrats. How this can be done I don't know.
It can't be done because the Christian Right, among others, sees those people as subhuman.
Liberals want Republicans to abandon the religious right and support abortion and gay marriage while pushing a fiscal conservative position.
Which is liberals showing their true colors. They don't give a rip about poor/working-class people. They just want more weed, sex and dirty movies. I know, I have met them. My boss campaigned for Obama during the '08 primaries and she even said "people who are voting for Hillary are poor, working-class. In other words they're stupid people!!"
I find this amusing, the democrats telling the republicans to be more liberal is the way to the republicans winning?
If you have a hard left party and a center left party, that is the path to prosperity and unity?
The Eisenhower years were marked by the democrats controlling the house and senate, and continuing to do so until 1994 when Newt Gingrich revitalized the party using the Contract With America and actually outlining a platform people could understand and support.
The last 2 elections the republicans put up a candidate that met all the democrats needs, moderate, centrist, questionable conservative credentials, and I just didn't see the left supporting them. Why continue to follow a loosing strategy of trying to out liberal the liberals
When there are 2 left candidates running, why vote? Perhaps that is the strategy for all the "helpful" advice given by the left, if the republicans are dumb enough to listen, they will keep loosing.
If the republicans will nominate a solid conservative with the ability to articulate their message and get past the media blitz attacks, who can appeal directly to the electorate and promote a real conservative message in a way that the average person that doesn't follow politics can understand, (like a Ronald Reagan), then that candidate will get votes across the spectrum and win.
Not because of race baiting politics, not because of singling out minorities, but by speaking directly to American Citizens instead of demographics.
It is the democrat strategy to divide people by any possible line of race, sex, finances, it is the republicans or more realisitically conservatives that look past those differences and unite based upon what really matters, family, country, opportunity.
The democrat strategy is divide and destroy, the republicans will need to unify and make people Americans again instead of only looking at color or wedge issues that divide, they must unite the citizens of this country to a common cause to win.
To put Country over politics, to understand that if the country falls, we all suffer, that political agendas mean nothing against the security and prosperity this country needs and deserves.
America deserves the best, not just the candidate that can win through division and hatred seperating us as a country, we need to be united in the face of the hatred put forth by the left and it's media machine.
We deserve better than what we have been getting.
You say this with a candidate that spouted the 47% remark? Yes, that was very unifying for all of America to hear. You say this with Senators that spout off about legitimate rape and the body shutting down to prevent pregnancy? That certainly brought women voters into the fold.
Republicans had only ONE common cause this election season - get rid of President Obama - at all costs. No matter if we take this country down in our quest to do so, that's fine with us. We have no platform that we believe in - because our candidate cannot seem to make up his mind OR stand firm on anything.
The only unifying cause they had was their collective hatred of President Obama - AND their view of anyone who was not in the top 1%. The 'takers' as Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O'Reilly continue to espouse.
You are going to have to do so much better than that. IF you do, people will rally around.
Every time a "moderate" Republocan has been nominated they have been clobbered. Bob Dole in 1996, McCain in 2008, and now Romney in 2012. Nominating another RINO isn't going to get them the White House unless things just get so bad under Obama there is a reversal of 2008 in that people vote Republican no matter what because they want change. Liberals want Republicans to abandon the religious right and support abortion and gay marriage while pushing a fiscal conservative position. The GOP has one big problem though. The Christian Right will not compromise on those two issues and Republicans can not win a national election without support of the Christian right. What might work is for the GOP to do a better job at reaching out to conservative black and Latino voters, two blocks that have variety of political beliefs but are monoliths for the Democrats. How this can be done I don't know.
Evangelicals don’t have to compromise that much. They could simply go back to their rhetoric during the Reagan administration.
They need to:
Stop talking about gay marriage. The issue is over, if for nothing more than demographics. It will be unquestionably over in 10 to 15 years, probably sooner. You can downplay it now and minimize the hit, or drag it out for another few cycles. The end result will be the same.
Stop talking about the rape exception for abortion. You can still be pro-life, but the rape exemption is a moot point. I know you think it’s a loophole in any potential anti-abortion court decision or legislation. However, abortion is legal, thus being extreme on a potential (but unlikely) change is silly because it has no practical effect. You’re falling on your sword for a completely rhetorical victory.
Stop insisting on candidates who deny basic science. You can teach whatever you want in your home schools, but forcing candidates to question evolution in public renders them a laughing stock among the rest of the electorate (and the world).
The tea party had its greatest success when it focused on fiscal issues. The success of the GOP in the 2010 elections was due in large part to the libertarian direction this had moved the party in. Social issues didn't go away, but they did take a back seat.
Politics is about a marketplace of ideas, and smaller more efficient government sells better than keeping that nice couple down the street from getting hitched or denying an abortion to a rape victim. That's not to say that social conservatives must abandon their core beliefs - but they have to make their case to the voting public as to why these things are important.
One thing is for sure, the least effective way for the GOP to win is by trying to be half-azzed democrats. They'll beat you every time at that game.
Still amusing, I post an opinion about unifying America, trying to promote individual achievement and greatness, the ability of the individual to chart their own course and to rise to the heights of their own abilities without being denied their dream because all must be limited to the same level of misery, and I hear, "the 47%".
Romney said that no matter what he did, 47% wouldn't vote for him. Where is the surprise?
Roughly the same number wouldn't vote for obamma either, no matter what. That is basically the 2 party system.
It takes someone with a vision for this country and the ability to articulate it, and get past the media directly to the voters to make their case that will change the current balance of power.
People are so consumed with hatred for the other side that those of us that don't fit in either party are either relegated to "kook" status, or have to vote for the side we find least offensive.
I didn't like all of Ron Paul's positions, I didn't like all of Johnson's positions, but I ended up voting for Romney as there was no other realistic choice for someone in my position as a politica outsider.
I don't believe the left should abandon their principals of Quote" minorities, muslims, gays, joos, lib-ruls, feminazis, educated elites, teachers, unions, atheists, universities, "the 47%", gay marriage, "illegals", contraception, abortion, Barack the Magic Negro," End Quote, just as I don't believe the right should abandon their values of traditional values, family, smaller government, strong country, strong military, strong business climate with jobs instead of handouts, that people should have the option to freely immigrate to this country legally, that breaking the laws are breaking the laws even if you are part of a demographic one of the parties wants to use.
Politicians are normally not paragons of virtue or exemplary people, they are folks that will say or do anything to get the job and then either forget those that put them in office and answer only to the central party, or whoever pays to keep them in their job.
To use politicians as an example to represent the majority of the voting public is a disservice to the American People.
However, as long as the media pillories one side and ignores the transgressions of the other, we will continue to get the pathetic situation we find ourselves in at this time.
No Jobs
No Civility
No Community
No Future
No Hope.
We endure, we try to continue to raise our kids, make our mortage payments, pray that there will be a way to retire, hope that we don't get sick so the death panels sitting like the mythical fates deciding whether we live or die won't get the opportunity to pull the plug on us or our loved ones, we struggle with overwhelming confusing blizzards of edicts passed by dictatorial "presidential orders" instead of going through congress, we deal with a tribe of Commisars euphemistically called "Czars" who are appointed by edict instead of vetting to positions of power with no accountability.
Until the Citizens of this country wake up and take back the country from the political class, things will only get worse.
And the real tragidy, while we argue on an internet board, the parties take advantage of our inattention to do what they will to destroy the foundations of this country.
We have sewn the storm, and will reap the whirlwind, and only God knows if we still have enough value in the cosmos to deserve to be given a second chance after blowing the best hope for the world so badly.
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You say this with a candidate that spouted the 47% remark? Yes, that was very unifying for all of America to hear. You say this with Senators that spout off about legitimate rape and the body shutting down to prevent pregnancy? That certainly brought women voters into the fold.
Republicans had only ONE common cause this election season - get rid of President Obama - at all costs. No matter if we take this country down in our quest to do so, that's fine with us. We have no platform that we believe in - because our candidate cannot seem to make up his mind OR stand firm on anything.
The only unifying cause they had was their collective hatred of President Obama - AND their view of anyone who was not in the top 1%. The 'takers' as Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O'Reilly continue to espouse.
You are going to have to do so much better than that. IF you do, people will rally around.
Well there's a major part of the problem right there. Since when has a single party ever had so many unelected members with so much influence (to which we might add Glenn Beck, Thomas Sowell, etc. and the scores of right wing billionaires like Grover Norquist, the Koch family, et al)?! And please, we all know that Keith Olbermann, Soros, "the MSM", etc. ain't even in the same league re: said "influence"!
No;not naymore than the democratic aoprty was when both gore and then Kery loss.As Biden says the pendulum in polictics is always swinging.On eonly has to remmber that all polictics is local ithat is where shnges first take place.lokig at state houses its clear its swing still. I have to wander when we stop leveragig by government borrowig and trun to deleveraging what those effected will blame fot it.Poeple always react to what is not what future holds in reality.
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I know, I have met them. My boss campaigned for Obama during the '08 primaries and she even said "people who are voting for Hillary are poor, working-class. In other words they're stupid people!!"
