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Old 11-24-2012, 11:53 PM
 
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Did somebody mention a cockroach that keeps coming back?
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:16 AM
 
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U.N. Climate Organization Wants Immunities Against Charges of Conflict of Interest, Exceeding Mandate, Among Others

U.N. Climate Organization Wants Immunities Against Charges of Conflict of Interest, Exceeding Mandate, Among Others | Fox News

No... Really? Who would have seen that one coming?
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:35 AM
 
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Make your own Michael Mann hockey stick at home

Make your own Michael Mann hockey stick at home | Watts Up With That?

From the above link:

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Old 11-25-2012, 12:42 AM
 
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This shows the massive variance between Michael Mann's "Hockey Stick" nonsense compared to scientific reality.

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Old 11-25-2012, 12:50 AM
 
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This shows the massive variance between Michael Mann's "Hockey Stick" nonsense compared to scientific reality.
Who corrected it? This guy?......





(I'm just kidding with you.)
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:55 AM
 
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I think it's impossible to argue with those who don't "believe" in global warming. Unfortunately, it's not a matter of belief or political viewpoints. Denying it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's facts--- inescapable facts. But if one of you reality-resisters is willing to take 5 minutes to read NASA's evidence of global warming, here's the link:

Climate Change: Evidence

Here are CO2 levels over the last several 100,000 years.

What... do you mean THIS NOAA?
djournal.com - Ouch July in US was hottest ever in history books

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Ouch! July in US was hottest ever in history books
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Teagan Rogers, 10, enjoys a splash of cool water at Borah Pool Tuesday Aug. 7, 2012 in Boise, Idaho. Hot summer temperatures dominated the day in Boise reaching and tying the record at 106 degrees. (AP Photo/The Idaho Statesman, Darin Oswald)







WASHINGTON — This probably comes as no surprise: Federal scientists say July was the hottest month ever recorded in the Lower 48 states, breaking a record set during the Dust Bowl of the 1930s.

And even less a surprise: The U.S. this year keeps setting records for weather extremes, based on the precise calculations that include drought, heavy rainfall, unusual temperatures, and storms.

The average temperature last month was 77.6 degrees. That breaks the old record from July 1936 by 0.2 degree, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Records go back to 1895.

"It's a pretty significant increase over the last record," said climate scientist Jake Crouch of NOAA's National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C. In the past, skeptics of global warming have pointed to the Dust Bowl to argue that recent heat isn't unprecedented. But Crouch said this shows that the current year "is out and beyond those Dust Bowl years. We're rivaling and beating them consistently from month to month."

Three of the nation's five hottest months on record have been recent Julys: This year, 2011 and 2006. Julys in 1936 and 1934 round out the top five.

Last month also was 3.3 degrees warmer than the 20th century average for July.

Thirty-two states had months that were among their 10 warmest Julys, but only one, Virginia, had the hottest July on record. Crouch said that's a bit unusual, but that it shows the breadth of the heat and associated drought.

For example in 2011, the heat seemed to be centered mostly in Oklahoma and Texas. But this summer "the epicenters of the heat kind of migrated around. It kind of got everybody in the action this month," Crouch said.

The first seven months of 2012 were the warmest on record for the nation. And August 2011 through July this year was the warmest 12-month period on record, just beating out the July 2011-June 2012 time period.

But it's not just the heat that's noteworthy. NOAA has a measurement called the U.S. Climate Extreme Index which dates to 1900 and follows several indicators of unusually high and low temperatures, severe drought, downpours, and tropical storms and hurricanes. NOAA calculates the index as a percentage, which mostly reflects how much of the nation experience extremes. In July, the index was 37 percent, a record that beat the old mark for July last year. The average is 20 percent.

For the first seven months of the year, the extreme index was 46 percent, beating the old record from 1934. This year's extreme index was heavily driven by high temperatures both day and night, which is unusual, Crouch said.

"This would not have happened in the absence of human-caused climate change," said Pennsylvania State University climate scientist Michael Mann.

Crouch and Kevin Trenberth, climate analysis chief of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, said what's happening is a double whammy of weather and climate change. They point to long-term higher night temperatures from global warming and the short-term effect of localized heat and drought that spike daytime temperatures.

Drought is a major player because in the summer "if it is wet, it tends to be cool, while if it is dry, it tends to be hot," Trenberth said.

So the record in July isn't such a big deal, Trenberth said. "But the fact that the first seven months of the year are the hottest on record is much more impressive from a climate standpoint, and highlights the fact that there is more than just natural variability playing a role: Global warming from human activities has reared its head in a way that can only be a major warning for the future."

Here are some more numbers unlikely to provide cold comfort. The coolest July on record was in 1915. The coldest month in U.S. history was January 1979 with an average temperature of 22.6 degrees.

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Online:

The National Climatic Data Center: State of the Climate
Yet here is a link to SCIENCE that debunks the NOAA's claim:
Dear NOAA and Seth, which 1930′s were you comparing to when you say July 2012 is the record warmest? | Watts Up With That?
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:02 AM
 
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I commend you on your fervor.
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:04 AM
 
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But don't worry... Anthropogenic global warming (man-made climate change) is "SETTLED" science. After all, it was peer reviewed and has a consensus, right? Science is not based on having a consensus, it is based on being able to prove your claims.
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Old 11-25-2012, 03:04 AM
 
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I commend you on your fervor.
His links have as much veracity as Creationist websites on the topic of Evolution... and they show just as much 'fervor'.
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Old 11-25-2012, 03:08 AM
 
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The funny thing is, he'll be right eventually.
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