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Old 11-25-2012, 06:25 AM
 
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I absolutely do not envy, begrudge, despise or feel anger towards the wealthy. Furthermore, I believe our Commander in Chief should have some class:



Maobama needs a lot more than a shoe shine!
I didn't know a shoe shine repaired worn soles. Furthermore, I didn't know having worn shoes was a sign of lacking class.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:28 AM
 
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To answer the OP: I do not hate rich people. I am actually quite impressed with those who are rich AND actually work for it. That is quite a feat. What is not impressive are trust fund babies who do nothing. Now there are trust fund babies that work, do charity, etc. I can live with that. What absolutely angers me is the lack of recognition by some of the rich. They do not recognize the luck they've had - either by birth, marriage or just getting a chance to make money in the first place. They do not acknowledge that not everyone has the support system needed to go from rags to riches - or even rags to middle class. That makes me angry.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:29 AM
 
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A lousy job indeed. Basically they said that they don't care a out the bottom half of the nation, and that they want to cut education.
if you were being honest, you would admit that education isn't on the rise in america, and that they keep trying to dumb the standards down, instead of raising the standards. (no doubt in part due to POLICIES and to the fact that we keep bringing more uneducated and poor people into this country)-which takes more resources and more money away from those who are ready, willing, and able to achieve.

again, problems are not being addressed because it is easier not to, and because nobody is demanding it.

a dependent culture will always vote for bigger government, but really how many people would actually prefer to be financially autonomous and free?

jealousy is a sad emotion, focused on the "other person" and not yourself-again the culture of dependence in action.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:29 AM
 
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Most driving expensive cars are over their heads in debt but have to have that bobble to make people think they are loaded. The rich I know are just normal people.
This is true too.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:33 AM
 
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if you were being honest, you would admit that education isn't on the rise in america, and that they keep trying to dumb the standards down, instead of raising the standards. (no doubt in part due to POLICIES and to the fact that we keep bringing more uneducated and poor people into this country)-which takes more resources and more money away from those who are ready, willing, and able to achieve.

again, problems are not being addressed because it is easier not to, and because nobody is demanding it.

a dependent culture will always vote for bigger government, but really how many people would actually prefer to be financially autonomous and free?
If you want to be honest you would recognize the scant amount we put towards public education in this country and then you would see why education is not on the rise here.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Holly Springs, NC USA
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If you want to be honest you would recognize the scant amount we put towards public education in this country and then you would see why education is not on the rise here.
Really? We spent as much at the FEDERAL level on education as we did on the Iraq wars when Bush was in office. Test scores did not rise at anywhere near the level of spending.



The problem is that we prop up teachers unions and take parent involvement out of the classroom. What works in education is having the parents involved. This isn't about spending as money doesn't make kids smarter, time and attention are what make kids smarter.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:43 AM
 
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Really? We spent as much at the FEDERAL level on education as we did on the Iraq wars when Bush was in office. Test scores did not rise at anywhere near the level of spending.



The problem is that we prop up teachers unions and take parent involvement out of the classroom. What works in education is having the parents involved. This isn't about spending as money doesn't make kids smarter, time and attention are what make kids smarter.
The budget for education, on the federal level, is 6% of the budget. Projected military spending for 2013 is 57% of discretionary spending.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Why do the uber wealthy need to be encouraged to give? " The Giving Pledge is a campaign to encourage the wealthiest people in the United States to make a commitment to give most of their wealth to philanthropic causes."

Rockefeller and Carnegie didn't need to be encouraged to give and what they gave, adjusted for inflation, dwarfs what this pledge has raised.

One thing I noticed, Romney, Adelson, Paulson, Bob Perry, and Rove are missing from their list. Is anyone from Bain Capital on the list.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Really? We spent as much at the FEDERAL level on education as we did on the Iraq wars when Bush was in office. Test scores did not rise at anywhere near the level of spending.



The problem is that we prop up teachers unions and take parent involvement out of the classroom. What works in education is having the parents involved. This isn't about spending as money doesn't make kids smarter, time and attention are what make kids smarter.
Cute trick there, but you know as well as I do, that the aggregate amount spent on education is what is important. If the feds spend more while at the state and local level, hit hard by the GREAT RECESSION, cut their spending improvement to education isn't going to occur. The whole rational for the stimulus was to fund state and local governments hit by reduced tax revenues during the recession. Feds pay more locals pay less.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:55 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Rockefeller and Carnegie didn't need to be encouraged to give and what they gave, adjusted for inflation, dwarfs what this pledge has raised.
Adjusted for inflation, their wealth dwarfed the wealth of today's wealthy. (Try saying THAT, 10 times fast)
Carnegie could have bought and sold Bill Gates like 7 times over. Again, adjusted for inflation.

Even so, people SHOULD be encouraged to give back. Especially people with so much to give. Say what you want about Romney, and he may not have "signed a pledge", but he does give away a disproportionally large percentage of his income to charity.
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