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Explain how some jobs are not worth more than $5. an hour, but you're forced to pay minimum wage?
If you actually understood how a market economy works you would understand that if labor was not worth minimum wage employers would not pay minimum wage. They would just forego the labor.
Explain how you feel that compensation should be paid by need, not by the value of the labor.
Because in a society where we have come to the conclusion people shouldn't starve the simple fact is somebody has to pay for food. Allowing less then minimum wage compensation would shift the burden of supporting laborers to the state and charities and off those arguably receiving the most benefit from the laboror. Of course this is all moot because compinsation is paid by the value of the labor. If the labor wasn't worth minimum wage the employer would forego it. Again your failure to understand market economics is astounding.
Explain this....if a millionaire goes to a masseuse who charges $100 an hour, why would they pay double...or triple....because "they can afford it".
They don't they pay what the underlying conditions allow for. Minimum wage is just a cost shifting from charities and government to businesses. There is no law that says employers must hire people and pay them minimum wage. Employers can always opt to forgo hiring an employee.
"They should pay more because they can afford it" and "they should be paid more because they need it" do not exist in the real world.
You shouldn't be talking.
Last edited by Randomstudent; 11-30-2012 at 07:37 PM..
You develop a skill, idea or product that someone will pay for.
The value of your skill, idea or product will be determined organically by the market.
No government program can alter that.
Pure Laizez Faire capitalism is a disaster. Bosses are free to exploit their workforce at will, so they do. In pure capitalism, there are no rules other than the almighty dollar. Corruption becomes rampant, slavery becomes inevitable and conditions for all but the elite are absolutely horrible. The real world end result of pure Laizez Faire is tyranny and slavery.
Marxism -- aka pure socialism is also a disaster. When working harder, smarter, faster or better nets you zero benefit, you tend just half-ass it instead. The government must of necessity be totalitarian in nature, else maintaining pure socialism becomes impossible. Without an iron fist to stop it, capitalism will recreate itself naturally, covertly if need be. That totalitarian rule inevitably becomes a corrupt monstrosity over time. In the end, the ruling class become an aristocracy in their own right while everyone else lives in misery under their tyrannical rule.
The ideal society and economy lies somewhere between these extremes. Trouble is, that ideal is always in flux. You might find it for awhile like the USA did in the 1940's and 1950's, but stay put for long and the ideal balance moves on you.
Ultimately, both sides are right and both sides are wrong. Democrats want to move our system towards socialism. Republicans want to move us towards capitalism. It is entirely unknown and unknowable who is right. All we do know is that this nation is diminishing rapidly and something must be done to fix it.
Plenty of jobs out there. I could be driving a forklift or roofing houses tommorow If I didnt have a job I like
??? Do you live in a northern state? Roofing is a repair to housing that is usually done in warm weather. It is only done for emergancies in winter months. In short you would be short of work for a few months if you tried to be a roofer right now. There is some roofing work but it is seasonal. Another seasonal thing is pouring concrete and road work(only pacths are done in winter).
That's exactly what Obama has created, uncertainty and he calls it the fiscal cliff.
The fiscal cliff is entirely the creature of the Republicans. They're the ones who played chicken with the debt ceiling and then walked away from the supercommittee.
You have no idea what your talking about and I dont need to read some BS link. I lived in upper Michigan for most of my life and one of my best friends is a roofer and he works through most winters. Roofers who whine about the cold and take the winter off trying to get UE all winter dont last long. Their lunch gets eaten by those who will
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Originally Posted by chirack
??? Do you live in a northern state? Roofing is a repair to housing that is usually done in warm weather. It is only done for emergancies in winter months. In short you would be short of work for a few months if you tried to be a roofer right now. There is some roofing work but it is seasonal. Another seasonal thing is pouring concrete and road work(only pacths are done in winter).
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