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Please tell me an "elected representative" is NOT what a delegate is....
Okay. An elected representative is not what a delegate is.
Delegates are generally not elected at all but appointed, and they represent organizations not people.
The members of the Constitutional Convention (for example) were delegates. The folks who voted to ratify the Constitution in the states were elected representatives.
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On top of that.... please tell me why I should even continue responding to you when you have jabbed about my ignorance, but, not only have you called the kettle black... you have stabbed it for being black.
The previous set of comments is one good reason. It is an opportunity for you to learn something.
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Electoral college is comprised of elected officials...it represents how the "people" are heard....if you split the atom any further you would be recruited by Ahmadinejad
Hey, you're the one who ignorantly suggested that the Electoral College ratified the Constitution. When you say something ridiculous you should anticipate ridicule.
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Tell that to Lief Erickson....and you've obviously never been to Ancient Athens...
Neither Viking nor Athenian democracy was inclusive. They were both class based Oligarchies in which only certain men (and no women) were allowed to vote. Nice try though. I was expecting you to try and foist Athens off on us, but the Vikings were a pleasant surprise.
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Even if what you said were true... how does that fly in the face of the fact you were wrong???
I've read that six times. I can make neither heads nor tails of what you're trying to say.
Okay. An elected representative is not what a delegate is.
Delegates are generally not elected at all but appointed, and they represent organizations not people.
The members of the Constitutional Convention (for example) were delegates. The folks who voted to ratify the Constitution in the states were elected representatives.
Semantics....
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The previous set of comments is one good reason. It is an opportunity for you to learn something.
I wish I could strike this out just for emphasis of how deluded you are.
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Hey, you're the one who ignorantly suggested that the Electoral College ratified the Constitution. When you say something ridiculous you should anticipate ridicule.
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So all that "ratification" stuff was just a figment of somebody's imagination?
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So now Congress are "The People"??
So, humor me.... why have "The People" pretty much ...never...had a good approval rating?
Did you forget that?? Clearly, it's implied that Congress/Delegates/Representatives (whatever other terminology you wish) ratified the Constitution and it's amendments.
If anything, saying that the Congress are "the people" is much further from the truth.
But, you will beg the question even further I am betting...
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Neither Viking nor Athenian democracy was inclusive. They were both class based Oligarchies in which only certain men (and no women) were allowed to vote. Nice try though. I was expecting you to try and foist Athens off on us, but the Vikings were a pleasant surprise.
Which leads to....the following....
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I've read that six times. I can make neither heads nor tails of what you're trying to say.
Obviously, you did not understand. Which "making heads or tails" is just a roundabout way of saying such a thing. Just say "I don't understand"...
And if you DID, you would know that even if I ceded to your argument that the fact a fundamental inclusive direct democracy never have existing is neither here nor there. It's like you are saying "Ok, it's what we have so it's good enough"...
Is that kind of apathetic?
I thought progression was about unprecedented measures....???
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of course, this is a problem in a direct democracy too...
Well, that is how lunatics like Ron Paul also made it. But, at least now you know why "the people". What are you going to do about it? Complain, whine, cry, groan and moan? Or, an armed rebellion for a people free of government? Or, a boat to a remote island? (or everything in that order)
Well, that is how lunatics like Ron Paul also made it. But, at least now you know why "the people". What are you going to do about it? Complain, whine, cry, groan and moan? Or, an armed rebellion for a people free of government? Or, a boat to a remote island? (or everything in that order)
Just know I won't "take it like a champ"...like you
Yet another word regarding whose meaning you apparently have no clue.
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Clearly, it's implied that Congress/Delegates/Representatives (whatever other terminology you wish) ratified the Constitution and it's amendments.
For starters, the phrase "clearly, it's implied" is oxymoronic.
Perhaps you should go back and actually read the material I linked you to regarding the process of Constitutional ratification. It was heavily and publicly debated for months... creating some of the greatest documentary monuments of political philosophy and theory in history. It was not some sort of back room deal, voted on by representatives who were out of touch with, unaware of, or in opposition to the people who elected them.
I have led you to water. Drink, Don't. I don't care.
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And if you DID, you would know that even if I ceded to your argument that the fact a fundamental inclusive direct democracy never have existing is neither here nor there. It's like you are saying "Ok, it's what we have so it's good enough"...
No. What I am saying is that what we got was superior to any other in human history... at least at that time. It has gotten better since as we extended the vote to blacks and to women. And much of the rest of the world has joined us, so many of them by explicitly modeling their Constitutions on our own.
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Is that kind of apathetic?
Not in the slightest.
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I thought progression was about unprecedented measures....???
Yet another word regarding which you have no clue. It is actually hilarious to watch as you get one thing after another objectively wrong, and still keep coming back like a frat boy bending over and yelling, "Please sir! May I have another."
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