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Old 12-08-2012, 12:07 AM
 
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ssm is redundancy...
not worthy of protesting...
but, it's like "lol"...

 
Old 12-08-2012, 12:08 AM
 
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The Torah also says people who work on Friday night and Saturday should be executed. Most Jews have rejected the view that the Torah condemns gays. It doesn't, and never has. It's impossible based on how Jewish law works.
Of course it does. We all know it does.
 
Old 12-08-2012, 12:08 AM
 
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10 years ago it was radically different in public opinion polls. I doubt very much you'd have simply said we should go by majority vote. After all, California tried that...and now they're being told their Constitutioanal Ammendment is "unconstitutional".
I don't support majority vote on civil rights, and Prop 8 is Unconstitutional. Neither have any bearing on the fact that Jews are overwhelmingly pro-gay, at least in North America. I'm Jewish btw.
 
Old 12-08-2012, 12:11 AM
 
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According to them, they are the whole Jewish community. According to them Jews that don't follow "Torah following" Judaism are not Jews.
No they don't. Orthodox Jews consider anyone born of a Jewish mother a Jew, regardless of their beliefs.
 
Old 12-08-2012, 12:14 AM
 
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Of course it does. We all know it does.
You're ignorant of how Jewish law works, so your beliefs are not valid. And you would be executed under Jewish law, so you might want to stop with the condemnation, or God will use the law to judge you. And considering you ignore 90% of the Mitzvah, that will not be a happy day for you.
 
Old 12-08-2012, 12:18 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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I've never suggested otherwise. My concern is that we shouldn't write policy catering to 3% of the populatoin that it would apply to.
We aren't writing policy catering to 3% of the population, we are expanding previous policy. We aren't giving 3% of the population rights no one else has, we are giving that 3% the same rights, you and I already have that they are excluded from.
 
Old 12-08-2012, 12:27 AM
 
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We aren't writing policy catering to 3% of the population, we are expanding previous policy. We aren't giving 3% of the population rights no one else has, we are giving that 3% the same rights, you and I already have that they are excluded from.
There is currently no law stating that if you're gay you can't get married. Gay people have exactly the same rights as straight people.

No matter what gender you prefer to have sex with, marital laws are the same---1 man, 1 woman. If that changes, then gay people have a new defintion based entirely on sexual preference.
 
Old 12-08-2012, 12:29 AM
 
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And who cares what minorities believe, right? That's a little hypocritical...conidering about 3% of the population is driving for a redefining of marriage.
The point is, who cares about a small minority of Jews who are being portraid as a major component of even religious Jewish thought.
 
Old 12-08-2012, 12:29 AM
 
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The point is, who cares about a small minority of Jews who are being portraid as a major component of even religious Jewish thought.
Funny how the view changes when you're no longer in the minority, huh?
 
Old 12-08-2012, 12:32 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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There is currently no law stating that if you're gay you can't get married. Gay people have exactly the same rights as straight people.

No matter what gender you prefer to have sex with, marital laws are the same---1 man, 1 woman. If that changes, then gay people have a new defintion based entirely on sexual preference.
This line of crap again.

You and I can marry the consenting adult that we love no matter what state we are in, gays in most states can't.
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