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Old 12-09-2012, 04:49 AM
 
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Can't we just love our fellow man without the legal or illegal aspect. We are all humans and therefore the same. And if you are religious we are all gods creatures. What is wrong with our society when we condemn people because they weren't a "citizen".
That's commendable of you...but you know what....your more than welcome to pay for his operation and all the illegals that need medical attention...
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Old 12-09-2012, 04:53 AM
 
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and would you get free treatment in Mexico or Bangladesh?

I think not.
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:03 AM
 
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The scary part he is not alone in thinking everyone else should pay for his medical needs.
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:56 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Hey, you are preaching to the quire here.

That would be the preferable scenario. I wasn't really getting into it, I was just correcting misinformation from another poster.
HA! Just reading over my post from last night. I guess choir is spelled differently when I am sober.
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:36 AM
 
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Can't we just love our fellow man without the legal or illegal aspect. We are all humans and therefore the same. And if you are religious we are all gods creatures. What is wrong with our society when we condemn people because they weren't a "citizen".
Love and our mutual humanity with our brothers and sisters throughout the world is not the issue in this instance. It boils down to U.S. citizens being in the unenviable position of always being the bad guys because U.S. citizens are overwhelmed and downright disgusted at having to pay their hard earned money in taxes for Medicaid, Medicare, and healthcare, which is a significant portion of what is driving the current U.S. debt.

What values do we represent when we live in a country which has the most liberal (of all countries) immigration policies and yet we have Washington's refusal to act legally and appropriately on our value system concerning the enormous financial burden of undocumented immigrants. There is no argument here, it is a financial burden to the U.S. citizens/taxpayers.

The wishy-washy nature of the Federal Government and the subject of illegal immigrants in this dialogue merely adds salt to the wound. Citizens do not feel as if there is a level playing field concerning their rights and the belief that illegll immigrants know exactly how to work the system to their advantage and at a great cost and disadvantage for the U.S. citizens. What about the millions of Naturalized citizens who followed the letter and the spirit of the law and waited their turn, waited in lines, filled out and filed paperwork and paid thousands of dollars for legal assistance in order to become citizens of the United States of America. How serious were they about becoming U.S. citizens?


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HomeIsWhere...

Center for Immigration Studies

Health Care. In 2004, state governments spent $125 billion on Medicaid, health insurance coverage for those with low incomes. Based on prior research, some $2.1 billion of that money went to persons in illegal-alien households, mostly to their U.S.-born children. Data from 2005 also indicated that of the 45.8 million uninsured people in the country (persons on Medicaid are considered to have insurance), some seven million, or 15 percent, were illegal aliens or the young U.S.-born children (under age 18) of illegals.

State and local governments spend some $12 billion on treatment for the uninsured. Thus, it seems likely that illegals and their children cost state and local governments some $1.8 billion on top of the $2.1 billion spent on Medicaid. In total, the best available evidence indicates that illegal immigration costs state and local governments some $4 billion a year. The federal government likely spent an additional $6 billion on health care for illegals and their children in 2004.

http://cis.org/node/565

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Old 12-09-2012, 08:39 AM
 
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and would you get free treatment in Mexico or Bangladesh?

I think not.
Of course not - even this illegal wouldn't get his health care completely free back home in his own country, he would be expected to pay something based a sliding scale with his income.

Everyone needs to remember that Mexico has nationalized health care - single payer, the government plan -- but yet they flood over the border to get in on OUR health care. They have affordable health care back home but that's not what they want.
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Old 12-09-2012, 08:51 AM
 
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Not this particular organ as his mother gave it to him. Now if some illegal gets a liver or kidney or what have you that a citizen was deemed a proper transplant for then I would definitely have a problem. These things don't just match everybody. I say slap it in em if there are no other takers just make em pay for the damn thing. We have to.
Which is why the case of the girl brought here illegally just to get liver transplants ahead of Americans is worse. It's wrong however that Americans are dying at the rate of 20 per day because they are being denied transplants while illegals are moved to the top of the waiting lists and Americans are expected to have a means to pay while illegals can expect free hospital care.

Private or public, if a hospital is providing different pricing plans to some because of their national origin, that is unethical -- yet they are. Come here from another country, have a foreign citizenship have no insurance and your hospital bill comes out to $0. The hospitals providing free hospital care to non-citizens simply pass the costs on to the insured patients.

It would be different also if we billed the Mexican government for all the free care being given it's citizens.
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Old 12-09-2012, 08:58 AM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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Really...why didn't he go back to his homeland Mexico for human rights!!!

Instead of taking a kidney that could have been given to a "legal American citizen"

Illegal immigrant receives long-awaited kidney transplant - chicagotribune.com

The article said that his mother donated the kidney, not some random donor. But why was he on the list for 8 years? why didn't the mother step in sooner? The hospital should not have provided this pro bono to a non-american citizen. What happens when his funding for his meds runs out? This is another medicaid case waiting to happen.
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:31 AM
 
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The article said that his mother donated the kidney, not some random donor. But why was he on the list for 8 years? why didn't the mother step in sooner?
He probably had to wait 8 years because he didn't have health insurance or the money to pay for the transplant and he had yet to find a hospital willing to take him on as a charity case.

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The hospital should not have provided this pro bono to a non-american citizen.
Where are you getting the notion that this hospital had to provide this service pro-bono?


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What happens when his funding for his meds runs out? This is another medicaid case waiting to happen.
I'll bet that the 10K per year for drugs will be his and his family's top financial propriety from her on out and they'll come up with it. If they can't, then he'll not get his drugs, he'll get sick, then maybe die.
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:32 AM
 
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I'm guessing he couldn't find a hospital to do it for free. Then he became a militant "nobody treats me fair" illegal and I'd bet some groups put pressure on one this hospital to do it for free. The old Jesse Jackson Rainbow Coalition two step.
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