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So all of this yelling,screaming and handwringing about banning gun shows and guns in general seems to have had an effect on the industry.
Listening to the radio yesterday and they were talking about states/counties/cities trying to ban all gun shows on public owned property like fair grounds etc. Evidently the effect it had on at least one of those gun shows was to cause a wait of more than 3 hours just to get in the building. If these groups/people/elected officials wanted to affect change in the gun industry they've certainly done so! They've made 'em a bunch of $$$$$ in a very short time with a promise of more to come as prices rise.
Hey, THAT'S IT! This must be part of the jobs bill!!!!! Just imagine the new jobs that are being created right NOW in the gun industry and related products just to keep up with the demand for everything gun related.
I also wonder how many people who were on the fence about buying a weapon were pushed over the edge just because they're sensing they may not be able to soon.
On edit: I've got a question. How many on this thread think that pot should be legalized? While reading through different threads on CD I think I stumbled onto an interesting thought that I think needs to be explored further.
No, we should concentrate on mental health and removing violent offenders from the streets.
Naw ... simple solution is to ban gun racks from the back window of pick'em up trucks! Sad thing is that the public is losing interest in the issue because it's no longer on TV.
Statistics say that the number of incidents involving rifles of any kind, much less "assault rifles," is miniscule in comparison to overall crime. If the people wanting to pass this idiotic legislation were going by statistics, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Instead of looking at statistics and thinking logically, we have a group of people who are wanting to pass "feel-good" legislation that doesn't address anything other than their political agenda.
Yes, according to statistics this is true. Unlike these incidents, most crimes are crimes of opportunity.
The difference here is that rifles seem to be the weapon of choice for people who premeditate their shootings and who want to go "big."
Personally, I don't think it is the weapon so much as the fact that people are sitting around planning to kill people that needs to be addressed, which of course brings us back to mental health.
But it is rather a chicken-egg argument: which came first - was the overall desire facilitated by the tools or did the access to the tools spark/enable/feed the desire?
Yes, according to statistics this is true. Unlike these incidents, most crimes are crimes of opportunity.
The difference here is that rifles seem to be the weapon of choice for people who premeditate their shootings and who want to go "big."
Personally, I don't think it is the weapon so much as the fact that people are sitting around planning to kill people that needs to be addressed, which of course brings us back to mental health.
But it is rather a chicken-egg argument: which came first - was the overall desire facilitated by the tools or did the access to the tools spark/enable/feed the desire?
For a while there was some conversation on computer games facilitating the purposes of these sick individuals, as well.
No, we should concentrate on mental health and removing violent offenders from the streets.
That's a day late and a dollar short.
And you can't treat those with mental health issues when the individual does not acknowledge or recognize that he in fact has such an issue. And even if it was possible to ID and force therapy/treatment, it doesn't always work. A classic example is the borderline personality.
Naw ... simple solution is to ban gun racks from the back window of pick'em up trucks! Sad thing is that the public is losing interest in the issue because it's no longer on TV.
What do you expect from the fake outrage of the left.................
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No, we should concentrate on mental health and removing violent offenders from the streets.
It would help to make mental health treatment more available to those who need it, but not much. The mentally ill actually tend to be a little less violent than normals, at least in terms of serious murders. Of the recent killings, I'll bet only Jared Loughner will turn out to have a true hardcore mental illness.
On the other hand, sociopathy (also called psychopathy) is present in all the mass murderers - they're not mentally ill according to psychiatrists ...... it's more an enjoyment in inflicting pain, and a complete lack of remorse or conscience. Sometimes it's hard to find them out before they start doing real damage, there's a test but an intelligent sociopath could fake the answers, and you can't just go around giving everyone such a test.
Probably nothing could have screened out Lanza. Sure he had problems, but they weren't the kind of hardcore mental illness that would have had him committed. His shrink wouldn't have had any reason to test him for sociopathy, since as far as we know he didn't even so much as punch anyone when he had a temper tantrum. There aren't too many usable lessons from this case, in my opinion, other than the lethality of high-capacity magazines - it's just a tragedy to be borne.
It would help to make mental health treatment more available to those who need it, but not much. The mentally ill actually tend to be a little less violent than normals, at least in terms of serious murders. Of the recent killings, I'll be only Jared Loughner will turn out to have a true hardcore mental illness.
On the other hand, sociopathy (also called psychopathy) is present in all the mass murderers - they're not mentally ill according to psychiatrists ...... it's more an enjoyment in inflicting pain, and a complete lack of remorse or conscience. Sometimes it's hard to find them out before they start doing real damage, there's a test but an intelligent sociopath could fake the answers, and you can't just go around giving everyone such a test.
Probably nothing could have screened out Lanza. Sure he had problems, but they weren't the kind of hardcore mental illness that would have had him committed. His shrink wouldn't have had any reason to test him for sociopathy, since as far as we know he didn't even so much as punch anyone when he had a temper tantrum. There aren't too many usable lessons from this case, in my opinion, other than the lethality of high-capacity magazines - it's just a tragedy to be borne.
To continue along this line, the more I read and hear of this and the other shootings before and since the more convinced I'm becoming that as bad as these events were life just sucks sometimes and people get killed at the hands of others. It's been this way since well before guns hit the scene and I'd bet this conversation has been had more times than there are people on this forum. What's the answer? Don't really know but there's one thing I'm pretty sure of, no matter what we do or don't do there will most likely never be an end to these kind of situations.
You can never fully protect anyone as several presidents in many different countries have found out nor can you regulate away the violence or killing as many other countries have also found out.
All I or anyone for that matter can do is protect me and mine to the best of my ability with whatever is available and hope it's enough. Reducing what's available to the good people only makes the vicious dirtbags of the world have an easier time to ply their trade without opposition.
It's a sad commentary to be sure but it's also reality.
To continue along this line, the more I read and hear of this and the other shootings before and since the more convinced I'm becoming that as bad as these events were life just sucks sometimes and people get killed at the hands of others. It's been this way since well before guns hit the scene and I'd bet this conversation has been had more times than there are people on this forum. What's the answer? Don't really know but there's one thing I'm pretty sure of, no matter what we do or don't do there will most likely never be an end to these kind of situations.
You can never fully protect anyone as several presidents in many different countries have found out nor can you regulate away the violence or killing as many other countries have also found out.
All I or anyone for that matter can do is protect me and mine to the best of my ability with whatever is available and hope it's enough. Reducing what's available to the good people only makes the vicious dirtbags of the world have an easier time to ply their trade without opposition.
It's a sad commentary to be sure but it's also reality.
That's the kind of sad hopeless helpless thinking that is not going to help.
OF COURSE something can be done. Bit by bit. Starting with some common sense laws and restrictions like the ones the White House gun control task force is discussing.
Other countries have implemented gun control and as a result have far fewer gun deaths. It's just common sense.
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Just imagine the new jobs that are being created right NOW in the gun industry and related products just to keep up with the demand for everything gun related.
Sad thing is that the public is losing interest in the issue because it's no longer on TV.
