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Old 12-15-2012, 11:52 AM
 
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You can make pipe bombs which aren't exactly firecrackers.

Plus, grenades tend to be a little impractical for muggings or even massacres like the most recent one. Keep in mind that the Littleton duo did have a number of pipe bombs with them and set off a couple mostly for their own amusement. All the deaths were by gunshot.

Cue the "guns are more dangerous than grenades" spiel now...
Why didn't we see them using manufactured grenades? Why don't we see these massacres perpetrated with automatic weapons?
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:09 PM
 
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Why didn't we see them using manufactured grenades? Why don't we see these massacres perpetrated with automatic weapons?
So the method is more important than the actual deaths? Gotcha.

Also, there is kinda the fact that guns already exist in the US. Over a quarter of a billion of them. It's not like gun control will magically make every gun disappear. A lot of them (even 10% would still mean over 25,000,000 guns) will still be around.

Or maybe you want them to be outlawed and the law to be enforced by mandatory searches of every home and business by the police. Because if you are going to trash the Second Amendment might as well trash the Fourth Amendment.
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Old 12-15-2012, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Therefore every sovereign nation should have the right to obtain as many nuclear weapons as possible without any restrictions at all. This world would be safer if every country on Earth could stock pile massive arsenals of nuclear weapons to defend themselves against a theoretical attacker.


The problem is if every nation is armed to the teeth that the probablility of disaster by error human or machine, or miscalculation or hardware failure (as an officer said on the K-19 in the movie by the same name the problem of the 50 Kopek resistor or the 25 cent diode) goes way up. All it would take is a small deviation from perfection to plung our world into a holocaust. Our lives could have ended in 1957, 1959, 1961, 1962, 1967, 1973, 1978 or 1983.
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Old 12-15-2012, 06:58 PM
 
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Therefore every sovereign nation should have the right to obtain as many nuclear weapons as possible without any restrictions at all. This world would be safer if every country on Earth could stock pile massive arsenals of nuclear weapons to defend themselves against a theoretical attacker.

can a nuke just go off by itself without an action from a living person pushing the button?

i thought not.
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Old 12-15-2012, 06:58 PM
 
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Therefore every sovereign nation should have the right to obtain as many nuclear weapons as possible without any restrictions at all. This world would be safer if every country on Earth could stock pile massive arsenals of nuclear weapons to defend themselves against a theoretical attacker.
there is a fallacy in your argument, that being when you have world leaders like ahmendenajad(sp), and terrorist organizations like al qeada, hamas, hezbolah, etc. who are willing to use what ever weapon they can get their hands on to create terror, then you are quite wrong in your argument that more nuclear weapons would make the world safer.
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Old 12-15-2012, 07:01 PM
 
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Nerve gas doesn't kill, people do. Flamethrowers don't kill, people do. Napalm doesn't kill, pilots do Agent Orange doesn't kill vegetation and give humans cancer, pilots do. Howitzer 155MM Cannons don't kill, gunners do.

I totally agree.
By jove I think 'E's got it! people Kill people and have since the first man came down from trees....

You lefty's should stick with ban nukes, because you will never ban guns.. That just isn't going to happen..
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Old 12-15-2012, 07:09 PM
 
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I have reached the end of my rope with the "Guns don't kill people" argument.

You're right. People kill people. But which people do the killing? People who have bought into the insane culture of gun worship in this country that has overridden the original intent of the Constitution when guns were necessary to life.

Today, thanks to the NRA and their insane supporters, guns are fun and cool and tough. They let you feel like a bad ass. They let you brag that you'll "protect" your family when mythical bad guys attack. They are something to "play with" at the range, in the words of one poster here. They allow you to say cool stuff like "cold dead hands."

What kind of people think it's fun to play with a machine designed to kill?

We are a sick society.

Yes, I DO blame guns for yesterday's shooting -- in my neighboring town. I also blame the gun culture and the NRA and everyone who thinks guns are fun and cool and tough.

I blame all of you, because YOU are the people who, in the end, kill people with guns.

There were guns long before liberals created this sick society. The Liberals have created this and now they are paying for it in blood. it's just too bad the blood belongs to the innocent.

The guns will save the rest of us.

it is high time to get real and understand the mentally inept are just that and pushing them forward with out earning it is a lie. That IS the reason what happened yesterday happened at all and it happens alot

The guy was a mental defective and was on drugs and he came to learn he was never going to get a girl friend and or earn 6 figures, and everything he ever learned was a lie told to him by liberals who wanted to make him 'Feel Better', and passed his life up the ladder of life..

That would make me angry too.........

it is high time to put down the liberal dog, and go back to what was good in the world.

Nothing of which comes from the artificial life style from the left and so called Liberal Elite.

No one is is equal period, and to just think so is quite insane. I assure you there will be plenty of hurt feelings in the future.

Last i know this isn't about Nukes and is all about guns, which you lefties don't know squat about, so maybe it's best to go forth and ban Nukes... After that you might return tio guns in the year 3030 or so....

Do you think Obama will be alive then?
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Old 12-15-2012, 07:11 PM
 
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Nope. Different argument here. We know which nations to be afraid of and we can keep nuclear weapons out of their hands. If we could identify the people to be afraid of we would and we'd keep a whole lot more than just guns out of their hands.
The U.S. has killed more people with nuclear bombs than any other country in the world. Perhaps other countries need to keep an eye on us.
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Old 12-15-2012, 07:12 PM
 
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Weapons in the wrong hands kill people.
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Old 12-15-2012, 07:41 PM
 
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You lefty's should stick with ban nukes, because you will never ban guns.. That just isn't going to happen..
Maybe not ban, but we'll DEFINITELY restrict them. Just you watch what we can do to restrict gun ownership... just watch... a tidal wave is coming and there's nothing you're going to be able to do about it.
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