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Old 12-19-2012, 01:33 AM
 
Location: California
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80K - rich enough to be able to have a servant, why not?

how many Macd's workers make that much anyway
Why do you think 80k is "rich enough to be able to have a servant"?

And you think there is nothing between a part time min wage job at McD's and being rich? Nobody is going to pay a servant 80k.

I'm very confused about your posts. Are you confused too?
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:43 AM
 
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Back to the original point: I suspect this is a joke, but in case it isn't, forcing welfare recipients to work as cleaners demeans both the position and the welfare recipient. It takes away from paying positions that are created by someone wanting to spend less time on cleaning and more on other things, so they are willing to part with their hard earned money to hire someone else. It also removes freedom from the man who owns that house, forcing them to endure someone doing a position because they are obligated and not because they want to be there.
demeans the welfare recipient - so what?

takes away from paying positions - so what?

that is good because then we can have 2 free servants - good for the economy long term.

Owner is not obligated to have a servant, but if he does then it will be free - thus giving him more money to create jobs and trickle down wealth.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:47 AM
 
Location: Lexington, Kentucky
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Should Welfare people be forced to work as servants for the rich?

No, that job is already taken ~ by the middle class.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:47 AM
 
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Why do you think 80k is "rich enough to be able to have a servant"?

And you think there is nothing between a part time min wage job at McD's and being rich? Nobody is going to pay a servant 80k.

I'm very confused about your posts. Are you confused too?
no, you've got the wrong end of the stick here.

The 80k earner gets the servant to work for them for free.

Anyone earning less than this amount does not get the servant, because they do not contribute enough to the country to have the privilege.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:50 AM
 
Location: Lexington, Kentucky
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demeans the welfare recipient - so what?

takes away from paying positions - so what?

that is good because then we can have 2 free servants - good for the economy long term.

Owner is not obligated to have a servant, but if he does then it will be free - thus giving him more money to create jobs and trickle down wealth.
Oh, we had something similar to that once ~ it was called "Slavery".
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:52 AM
 
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Oh, we had something similar to that once ~ it was called "Slavery".
We still have it. It's called working minimum wage with no benefits.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:52 AM
 
Location: Knightsbridge
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demeans the welfare recipient - so what?

takes away from paying positions - so what?

that is good because then we can have 2 free servants - good for the economy long term.

Owner is not obligated to have a servant, but if he does then it will be free - thus giving him more money to create jobs and trickle down wealth.
Ah, I see. This is an attempt to ridicule an opposing position by taking an extreme stance.

Workfare has many opponents. You don't need to turn it in to a caricature of itself in order to make an argument. In fact, taking such a simplistic and extreme view of what is a complex issue in this manner isn't really effective in either communicating or getting people's passions going. It's transparent and doesn't have the depth to provoke thought like some real subversive humor has.
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:50 AM
 
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what difference does it make if we have Workfare servants or Workfare shelf-stackers.

it's the same thing.

so instead of them doing pointless jobs at supermarkets why not have them being useful, such as cleaning other people's houses?
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:05 AM
 
Location: Tha 6th Bourough
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How about this for an idea?

Make all Welfare claimants be servants for those earning above 80k/year.

this would give them all some pride and help the economy out.

Unemployed welfare people would have to work full-time at the local mansions but people working at places such as Wallmart would only need to serve part-time - say at the weekends cleaning the toilets or something similar.

does anyone think this is the way forward?
Another problem with your theory is what if most of the rich people don't want a stranger, let alone a poor stranger being in thier house around thier valuables?
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:09 AM
 
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How about this for an idea?

Make all Welfare claimants be servants for those earning above 80k/year.

this would give them all some pride and help the economy out.

Unemployed welfare people would have to work full-time at the local mansions but people working at places such as Wallmart would only need to serve part-time - say at the weekends cleaning the toilets or something similar.

does anyone think this is the way forward?
I wouldn't trust these people in my house.

If they had the desire to work, they would have jobs.

I would, however, force them to show up at a government run center daily at 9am and punch a time card....and then come back at noon to punch out, 1pm back in and 5pm to punch out for the day. They would be docked their "pay" for every time card punch they miss.

Some of them may just say "I might as well get a job!"
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