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Old 12-21-2012, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Lefties are deluded....once Obama refuses this new bill today which will be passed to lift all tax's Jan 1....for everyone except people over the one million mark....the whole mess will be his doing, now
There is nothing to refuse. GOP killed the bill
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Hardly.

This is 0boy's baby. But you go right ahead and live in your goofy little world.
Some information for you:

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On August 2, 2011, Congress passed the Budget Control Act of 2011 as part of an agreement to resolve the debt-ceiling crisis. The Act provided for a Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction (the "super committee") to produce legislation by late November that would decrease the deficit by $1.2 trillion over ten years. When the super committee failed to act,[14] another part of the BCA went into effect. This directed automatic across-the-board cuts (known as "sequestrations") split evenly between defense and domestic spending, beginning on January 2, 2013. Also, the Affordable Care Act imposed new taxes on families making more than $250,000 a year ($200,000 for individuals) starting at the same time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_fiscal_cliff

Who has the majority of Congress again? The GOP created this mess and now it will be the bed they sleep in!
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:02 AM
 
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It wouldn't be easy to be a good leader with such a huge debt and so many hand outs with what, 10,000 new retired folks each day, all looking for their check, but the money invested for retirement was spent....and so many who do not work who need to be fed

so a leader would need to be a special guy who knows how firstly to offer an ambiance of stability on this issue into the population...

Sadly...Obama not only cannot even get that far....he doesn't even recognize the economic and social. significance making the root issues even worse.
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:03 AM
 
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There is nothing to refuse. GOP killed the bill
I know I already corrected that update and thanks for noticing.
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:03 AM
 
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You blamed Bush for a 10 year war and yet you come here saying it's not Obama's fault ?

ROFL. Obama divided Congress as well as he divided US citizens.

Obama and "bipartisan" should never be used in the same sentence.
Obama didn't divide Congress and he didn't divide US citizens.

Every issue has two sides, and people pick sides according to their own perspectives and sensibilities. That's no one's fault. No one has divided us. We divide ourselves. And that was always the understanding and intention of the Founding Fathers. BALANCING act. There is no balance when there is 100 consensus.
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Link please ? What they've done in the past effected the IRS and held up refunds.
When have they made changes that effected every company in the US regarding paychecks withholding ?
Retroactive Tax Increases and The Constitution
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Obama didn't divide Congress and he didn't divide US citizens.

Every issue has two sides, and people pick sides according to their own perspectives and sensibilities. That's no one's fault. No one has divided us. We divide ourselves. And that was always the understanding and intention of the Founding Fathers. BALANCING act. There is no balance when there is 100 consensus.
I've never seen this nation so divided with one group pitted against the other and the MSM joining ranks in publicizing it.

With every issue there is a scapegoat and it's publicized to the hilt.

This fiscal cliff is the result of our government NOT doing their jobs.
It goes beyond party here.

Obama is no Clinton no matter how many times they get Clinton to take the stage and talk to the nation.
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:13 AM
 
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It wouldn't be easy to be a good leader with such a huge debt and so many hand outs with what, 10,000 new retired folks each day, all looking for their check, but the money invested for retirement was spent.

so a leader would need to be a special guy who knows how firstly to offer an ambiance of stability on this issue into the population...

Sadly...Obama not only cannot even get that far....he doesn't even recognize the economic and social. significance

oh well

who could be surprised
First, "so a leader..." is an incoherent statement. It doesn't make sense.

Secondly, Obama recognizes the economic and social significance of Congress steering a clear course financially.

Thirdly, while you clearly don't approve of the job Obama has done or is doing, the sad fact is that the majority of Americans didn't agree with you on election day, and don't agree with you today. You need to stop fantasizing that people are going to be swayed by Republican spin, and realize that there are political realities at play here. Like the majority of Americans WANT taxes raised on the wealthy. Poll after poll has shown this. The November election results showed this. It's a political reality. And it's a political reality that the Republicans who are refusing to negotiate aren't going to stop taxes from going up. Because the tax cuts are going to expire if Congress does nothing. Their refusal to negotiate means that their actions will increase taxes. If they are too stupid to understand this, a political reality, they have no business being in Congress.

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Old 12-21-2012, 11:20 AM
 
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I've never seen this nation so divided with one group pitted against the other and the MSM joining ranks in publicizing it.

With every issue there is a scapegoat and it's publicized to the hilt.

This fiscal cliff is the result of our government NOT doing their jobs.
It goes beyond party here.

Obama is no Clinton no matter how many times they get Clinton to take the stage and talk to the nation.
Yeah, that Civil War certainly isn't an example of a nation divided.

We've always had political parties pitted against one another, and the press has always been involved in political partisanship. Just a casual review of political cartoons illustrates this.

The difference today isn't that we are more divided, or that the media is politically partisan. The difference today is that modern communication technology has provided more public forums than ever before for people to express their opinions, and to demean the opinions of others. It makes us seem more divided, and it may accentuate divisions, but at the end of the day, it's still the American people, who are generally moderate centrists politically, just speaking out and debating and working out together what direction they want out nation to take.
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:24 AM
 
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First, "so a leader..." is an incoherent statement. It doesn't make sense.

Secondly, Obama recognizes the econcomic and social significance of Congress steering a clear course financially.

Thirdly, while you clearly don't approve of the job Obama has done or is doing, the sad fact is that the majority of Americans didn't agree with you on election day, and don't agree with you today. You need to stop fantasizing that people are going to be swayed by Republican spin, and realize that there are political realities at play here. Like the majority of Americans WANT taxes raised on the wealthy. Poll after poll has shown this. The November election results showed this. It's a political reality. And it's a political reality that the Republicans who are refusing to negotiate aren't going to stop taxes from going up. Because the tax cuts are going to expire if Congress does nothing. Their refusal to negotiate means that their actions will increase taxes. If they are too stupid to understand this, a political reality, they have no business being in Congress.

There is no argument unless it wants to entertain this whole thing as a game, where two sides have an agenda ...a football game where one looses and one wins.

This is Obama's show, he's the leader and is deliberately refusing to seek out not the best left or right idea...but the best idea for the people....now, when does Obama talk like that ? No...Obama used just yesterday both the dreadful flooding on the east coast and the school tragedy trying to suggest that his idea is better...not the full honest facts and figures financially....that is un-acceptable and everyone knows where its at mentally ....as mentioned and will add...these are manipulations that man has been trying to avoid in leadership for at least 1000 years.
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