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Old 12-21-2012, 03:00 PM
 
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I'm a fiscal conservative and social liberal who firmly supports our right to bear arms. Can I still answer?

1. The firearms that are currently available to the public should stay that way. The firearms that are currently restricted (such as fully automatic weapons) should stay that way. We don't need any new bans on weapons, magazines, or ammunition.

2. Background checks should actually be more stringent. I'd like to see background checks that look at mental health history, but we'll have to change some Hippa laws to get acces to medical records for this purpose.

3. Waiting periods for new firearms owners, no waiting period if you can prove that you already own a firearm and/or have gone through a concealed carry or firearms safey course meeting minimum requirements.

4. Permits should required to carry a firearm in public, whether openly or concealed. For any new firearms owner, a safety course should be required. I don't support letting someone drive without taking classes, so why on earth would I support letting someone own a firearm without taking some sort of class? Owning a firearm is a right, but exercising that right needs to be done with a large dose of responsibility. Getting an education on not only how, but when, to handle a firearm safely and effectively is part of that responsibility.

5. Gun Free Zones are quite possibly the stupidest firearms related legislation that has ever been signed into law. Considering that we know there are people out there who want to hurt us, both foreign and domestic, what moron really thinks that advertising where the soft targets are is a good idea? Get rid of Gun Free Zones, at least in our public schools, and put armed security officers into place. We have people with guns guarding our politicians, our businesses, our banks, and even our celebrities, but we send our most precious possession to a place where they could be slaughtered by any nutjob with a gun 5 days a week, then not only leave them there unprotected, but advertise the fact that we are doing so.

I also think the restriction on a felon owning a firearm should be modified so that it only affects violent felons or those who were convicted of a felony drug violation. After we modify the drug laws so that they make sense, of course.
i agree with everything you posted, EXCEPT the thought about changing hippa laws. there is good reason for them being in place, and if you start changing them, even with the noble purpose of preventing those that are mentally ill from getting firearms, you open up a huge can of worms that cant be put back.
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Old 12-21-2012, 03:11 PM
 
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I'm just trying to see if I have this right.

1. All weapons should be accessible - fully automatic, semi, whatever. Anything with a trigger that people demand should be allowed on the market.
2. No background checks of any kind.
3. No waiting periods or any other restrictions of any kind.
4. Any kind of carry desired should be allowed. No permits.
5. No "gun-free zones." You can carry open or concealed in any location, public or private.

Would you agree with this? If not, what would you support?

If we start with the premise that any laws would just result in people circumventing them, then it seems a logical conclusion that we should throw out all the laws and just end up with this. Also, the Second Amendment is pretty much unrestricted. They could have written in restrictions, but they didn't.
How many guns and bullets would have to be put right in front of you to make you decide you're going to go on a killing spree?
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Old 12-21-2012, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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i agree with everything you posted, EXCEPT the thought about changing hippa laws. there is good reason for them being in place, and if you start changing them, even with the noble purpose of preventing those that are mentally ill from getting firearms, you open up a huge can of worms that cant be put back.
Good point, but I think that a can of worms is going to get opened one way or the other. Any ban on firearms will open the can of worms that leads to more and more stringent bans, eating away at the 2nd Amendment. Since the one thing aside from the use of firearms that all of the mass shooters have in common is psychological problems, allowing mental health to be a part of the background check is, in my mind, going to be a necessary evil.

We know that bans and restrictions on certain "types" of firearms are going to be ineffective, if not downright useless, so my suggestion is to approach the issue from the other direction by looking at the root cause of the problem rather than the tools used by those that want to harm children and innocents.
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Old 12-21-2012, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Aiken, South Carolina, US of A
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I think we should protect our little children
Not the right of semi auto weapons and auto weapons.
The Second Amendment states you have the right to bear arms.
Why not a rifle? or a shotgun? Or a pistol?
Why a gun that can kill 26 people in a matter of minutes?
has anyone here on this board seen the result of just 1 bullet
on a person from a Glock?
The shooter fired 6-16 bullets into each 6 year old in that class room that day.
Do you k now how small a 6 year old is?
They couldn't identify the children, there wasn't much left.
Now think about what you are all stating.
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Old 12-21-2012, 03:46 PM
 
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I think we should protect our little children
I do to. Ensuring that the nutjob with a gun is the ONLY person on campus with one is foolish.

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Not the right of semi auto weapons and auto weapons.
Do you know anything about firearms? Do you know that automatic weapons are already heavily regulated and controlled, and have not been used in a crime since I don't know when.

And do you know that semi-auto weapons account for over 80% of all firearms in circulation today.

Do you know the difference?

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Why a gun that can kill 26 people in a matter of minutes?
Every single modern firearm in existence can accomplish this feat. Especially considering the size of 6-year-olds.

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has anyone here on this board seen the result of just 1 bullet
on a person from a Glock?
Glock is a brand name. There are many different kinds of Glocks, and they make different holes depending on what kind of ammo they use.

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The shooter fired 6-16 bullets into each 6 year old in that class room that day.
Do you k now how small a 6 year old is?
It is almost certain that the children were huddled together in the corner (I say that not because I've heard it in the news, but because it is SOP in many school districts in a lockdown situation, I could be wrong). Given the small size of the average 6-year-old, every bullet fired likely hit more than one kid. Wouldn't have made a difference had he been using a different weapon, though.
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Old 12-21-2012, 03:50 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ambient View Post
I'm just trying to see if I have this right.

1. All weapons should be accessible - fully automatic, semi, whatever. Anything with a trigger that people demand should be allowed on the market.
2. No background checks of any kind.
3. No waiting periods or any other restrictions of any kind.
4. Any kind of carry desired should be allowed. No permits.
5. No "gun-free zones." You can carry open or concealed in any location, public or private.

Would you agree with this? If not, what would you support?

If we start with the premise that any laws would just result in people circumventing them, then it seems a logical conclusion that we should throw out all the laws and just end up with this. Also, the Second Amendment is pretty much unrestricted. They could have written in restrictions, but they didn't.
Citizens should be able to purchase any weapon they want, short of WMDs

background checks should continue (they are already in place)

there should be no waiting period for purchases

any kind of carry should be allowed- no permits

no gun free zones
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Old 12-21-2012, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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You forgot:

6. State-issued gun at age 18 after completing compulsory training.
That would be socialism, and wouldn't be in the US Constitution? Or, would it?
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Old 12-21-2012, 07:39 PM
 
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Citizens should be able to purchase any weapon they want, short of WMDs

background checks should continue (they are already in place)

there should be no waiting period for purchases

any kind of carry should be allowed- no permits

no gun free zones

Back in the 90's these guys banded together in militias to protect the women and children from their enemies. They carried whatever weapon suited them. Soon, no one else's point of view mattered anymore. Women were safe at home, unless they were sick and there was no adult male to accompany them to a doctor, who had to be a woman, so that the patient would be safe. Of course women weren't allowed to become doctors, so it was best not to become sick.

Eventually, the militias wanted to attack their perceived enemy, ironically the very allies who had helped them get their weapons in their original fight with their border country, a common enemy to us both. It hasn't ended yet, and it is going badly. In fact, it's one of the more dangerous places on earth, right up there with the United States, where murder rates outstrip most of the industrialized world.

But of course the answer to gun violence here at home is to ensure that there are even more guns out in public. Of course those guns will only be in the hands of the right people. And of course those people will have my best interest at heart when they begin telling me how to live my life. I should thank them, and if I don't, well I suppose I deserve to be left to die at the hands of any crazed maniacs or ruthless sociopaths.
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Old 12-21-2012, 08:06 PM
 
Location: MD's Eastern Shore
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Originally Posted by ambient View Post
I'm just trying to see if I have this right.

1. All weapons should be accessible - fully automatic, semi, whatever. Anything with a trigger that people demand should be allowed on the market.
2. No background checks of any kind.
3. No waiting periods or any other restrictions of any kind.
4. Any kind of carry desired should be allowed. No permits.
5. No "gun-free zones." You can carry open or concealed in any location, public or private.

Would you agree with this? If not, what would you support?

If we start with the premise that any laws would just result in people circumventing them, then it seems a logical conclusion that we should throw out all the laws and just end up with this. Also, the Second Amendment is pretty much unrestricted. They could have written in restrictions, but they didn't.
1. I don't see a purpose for fully automatic but from my understanding they are pretty impossible to get anyway. Personally I don't see a need for 30 round clips either.
2. There are already background checks. I would like to see them expanded to gun shows as well if they haven't been already.
3. There are already waiting periods for handguns. I would have no problem with one for a rifle/shotgun as well. If you need to buy a rifle the day before opening day of deer season and actually intend to use it the next day without sighting it in and becoming an efficient shot with that gun, then your not ready to go deer hunting anyway. Perhaps if you can prove you already have one you can get a waiver.
4. I think permits and a safety course (perhaps updated every year or 2) should be required to carry.
5. I haven't really given any thought to gun free zones one way or another to state an opinion.
6. Educate all kids on the proper handling and safety of a gun while in school. Make it mandatory. Perhaps that will slow down some accidental fatalities. You may not have guns in the house but they may go over to a friends house where they have guns and perhaps have them easily accessible.
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Old 12-21-2012, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by Butterfly4u View Post
I think we should protect our little children
Not the right of semi auto weapons and auto weapons.
The Second Amendment states you have the right to bear arms.
Why not a rifle? or a shotgun? Or a pistol?
Why a gun that can kill 26 people in a matter of minutes?
has anyone here on this board seen the result of just 1 bullet
on a person from a Glock?
The shooter fired 6-16 bullets into each 6 year old in that class room that day.
Do you k now how small a 6 year old is?
They couldn't identify the children, there wasn't much left.
Now think about what you are all stating.
When you are ignorant in the way of firearms, one shouldn't make assumptions or statements about them.


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This type of pistol is available with 15 round mags. That means 45+1 bullets (if you start with one in the chamber) with 2 mag changes, this guy can do them in less than 2 seconds.

A simi automatic pistol, as shown in the video can fire a round after round just as fast as the AR-15 Adam Lanza used.

Can you see now why us 'gun nuts' don't believe that baning high capacity magazines or assault rifles will prevent gun violence?

It's kinda like saying you'd rather be run over by a pickup rather than a van. Either way your gonna be dead.
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