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Old 12-22-2012, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by Haakon View Post
It's a BS stat made up by Handgun Control Inc (the former name for Sarah Bradys business). Their stats are less reliable and accurate than what the NRA publishes.

Doctors kill 10x as many people as are murdered with guns every year. Is that also an interesting stat?
Last year around 30,000 killed by guns including suicides, 50 years at that rate is 1.5M, NRA stats are more accurate?
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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guns never killed anybody. they are just a chunk of metal. i love the logic, i didnt shoot him that evil white man that made the bullet that came out of my gun, killed him.
Guns, like pens, are an extension of our brains. It's not the gun that kills, it's the brain connected to the hand that holds it.
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:20 PM
 
Location: under a rock
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If we're going to look at studies and statistics... they should break it out by race to see where the real problem lies.
Then we'd have to break it down to that "race" of which you're hinting towards.....and break it down further to their socio-economic standing. The actual statistical numbers may astound you; and make you reconsider your racist tendencies. Have you even tried to understand most of the current sociological science behind the problem in the inner-ghettos? Or are you just one of those who says, "someone needs to control those animals!"......"hand me a gun!".
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:29 PM
 
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....and half the guns in the world are owned by Americans.

Every two weeks we bury a child from gun violence.

Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence : Media



Juust what we don't need more of, strip freedoms and tax more thinking.
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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So are we to assume the casualties of war were killed by weapons other than guns?
Well to be fair in most modern wars WW2 onwards the number of casualties to artillery, air and missile strikes outweighs small arms fire.

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In fact America is about the only nation that hasn't had its own genocidal history. The closest we got was slavery and once former slaves were armed and allowed by law to have those arms that problem ceased to exist.
Well not to put too fine a point on it, don't say that to the natives, they may well argue that the forced displacement and disarmament of them was a genocidal pogrom.

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Last year around 30,000 killed by guns including suicides, 50 years at that rate is 1.5M, NRA stats are more accurate?
What if we eliminate suicides, it's well established that the mechanism used to commit suicide has little effect on whether the suicide victim does or does not commit suicide. There are many many ways to self terminate, guns are just convenient, if they were not present, then there are belts, ropes, shoelaces, razor blades and knives, car exhaust, swimming pools, tall buildings even tylenol in sufficient quantities will cause the human body to assume room temperature.

Japan has one of the lowest per capita gun ownership statistics in the world, yet has a suicide rate of 23.8/100,000 compared to the US figure of 12/100,000, the number of people in Japan who kill themselves by self inflicted gunshot is statistically negligible, but they still have close to twice the suicide rate as the US, that's a total of roughly 32,800 suicides per year. Which is more than were killed in the US by all guns including suicides.

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Guns, like pens, are an extension of our brains. It's not the gun that kills, it's the brain connected to the hand that holds it.
So then what's the point of posting about guns killing anything, you've just stated that it's not the gun that kills the brain that kills. Did you just admit to a position change?
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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That is an interesting stat, more people killed by guns than all wars combined.
You know what the author meant. Gun deaths outside of war. Still, your humor not lost.
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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So then what's the point of posting about guns killing anything, you've just stated that it's not the gun that kills the brain that kills. Did you just admit to a position change?

"The pen is mightier than the sword" (er, gun). Maybe the avid gun enthusiasts could turn to writing novels.
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Everybody's gotta die of something.
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Of course, the right to bear arms has been restricted in the past:

SLAVE CODES: THE FIRST GUN CONTROL LAWS

American slave codes were some of the first gun control laws in the United States and typically contained provisions that prohibited slaves from possessing firearms. For example, section 64 of the District of Columbia's slave code provided that: "No negro or other slave within this province shall be permitted to carry any gun, or any other offensive weapon … any negro or other slave shall be liable to be carried before a justice of the peace, and whipped, and his gun or other offensive weapon shall be forfeited to him that shall seize the same."
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:26 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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"The pen is mightier than the sword" (er, gun). Maybe the avid gun enthusiasts could turn to writing novels.


maybe democrats could try joining the military enmasse, somehow I doubt they will.
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