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It was still the police who took him down, off duty or not. Not knowing the officer's whole story, my assumption is that she was trained for the situation that occurred.
A theater full of people carrying guns, most likely not.
One person bent on mass murder/suicide in an enclosed area with no room for escape is frightening enough. A group of untrained, panicking folks with their guns out ready to fire in an enclosed area with no room for escape is just as disconcerting, IMHO.
If you ever think you'll be in a situation where you would have to fire among a group of people, train for it for God's sake.
It was still the police who took him down, off duty or not. Not knowing the officer's whole story, my assumption is that she was trained for the situation that occurred.
A theater full of people carrying guns, most likely not.
One person bent on mass murder/suicide in an enclosed area with no room for escape is frightening enough. A group of untrained, panicking folks with their guns out ready to fire in an enclosed area with no room for escape is just as disconcerting, IMHO.
If you ever think you'll be in a situation where you would have to fire among a group of people, train for it for God's sake.
What makes you think that CCW permit holders are untrained?
I've never understood how people could be so intentionally ignorant when it comes to CCW. People seem to believe for some unknown reason that a cop is more than just a human being. They're apparently some sort of supermen or something, who are perfect in every way, despite the fact that most of them only fire their weapon a few times a year, for qualification. But the guy that practices every week is a danger to the public?
I emphasized "intentionally" above because there's been enough discussion about this over the past several years to virtually eliminate the possibility that anyone posting about it in this forum isn't aware of the facts. They choose to ignore them. Why? I have no idea, but it's obvious that they do.
Around here cops are never off-duty. They are required to carry their weapons at all times (when in their jurisdiction). Some departments even issue an off-duty weapon...usually a smaller, more concealable version.
What makes you think that CCW permit holders are untrained?
I've never understood how people could be so intentionally ignorant when it comes to CCW. People seem to believe for some unknown reason that a cop is more than just a human being. They're apparently some sort of supermen or something, who are perfect in every way, despite the fact that most of them only fire their weapon a few times a year, for qualification. But the guy that practices every week is a danger to the public?
I emphasized "intentionally" above because there's been enough discussion about this over the past several years to virtually eliminate the possibility that anyone posting about it in this forum isn't aware of the facts. They choose to ignore them. Why? I have no idea, but it's obvious that they do.
My guess is that your average cop is more trained in situations involving firing his gun among a crowd of people than your average gun owner. However, I could be showing my ignorance intentionally.
I thought shootings like this did not happen in Texas because most everyone has a gun and is not afraid to use it.
Why did these people run?
Why did it take an off duty cop to shoot the shooter?
Large numbers of people have guns here but not all of them have CHLs. Also, movie theaters are often "gun free zones" which means people aren't supposed to carry in these places.
At UT in 1966 armed citizens with rifles helped minimize the casualties that day. No one was injured by friendly fire.
No one was injured by friendly fire because they were shooting at a lone gunman 28 floors up in a clock tower. Big difference between that and returning fire in a confined, crowded space like a movie theatre.
What makes you think that CCW permit holders are untrained?
I've never understood how people could be so intentionally ignorant when it comes to CCW. People seem to believe for some unknown reason that a cop is more than just a human being. They're apparently some sort of supermen or something, who are perfect in every way, despite the fact that most of them only fire their weapon a few times a year, for qualification. But the guy that practices every week is a danger to the public?
I emphasized "intentionally" above because there's been enough discussion about this over the past several years to virtually eliminate the possibility that anyone posting about it in this forum isn't aware of the facts. They choose to ignore them. Why? I have no idea, but it's obvious that they do.
Oh pulllleeze! CCW permit holders ON AVERAGE have undergone a level of training anywhere from giving a backhander to their girlfriends father, the local alderman to a four hour session to ascertain they can operate the thing without dropping it on their foot, to perhpas volunteer additional training that will allow them to run through a drill differentiating between the bad guys (always wearing black) and the good guys (always four years old sucking a lollipop or a woman carrying a bag of groceries) to then walk around strapped.
The majority portion of a cops training is spent on avoidance of taking the thing out of their holster for any reason other than a verified safety of themselves or others situation. The training encompasses all manner of examples of what constitutes a deadly threat.
The citizens pay and authorize the training a cop gets but the citizens as a whole have no say in how in-depth the training provided to the AVERAGE CCW carrier is provided nor do they get to vet this person as being perhaps the wrong person to carry a firarm as compared to the hiring process and initial training any cop is likely to undergo before he/she even becomes equipped with a firarm.
Comparing an off-duty cop to any AVERAGE CCW holder is Apples to kumquats!
No one was injured by friendly fire because they were shooting at a lone gunman 28 floors up in a clock tower. Big difference between that and returning fire in a confined, crowded space like a movie theatre.
Which might be an argument for gunfree zones but not for banning guns. It is hard for me to believe the carnage would be worse, even with one or two friendly fire casualties, in Aurora if a few of the moviegoers had been armed.
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