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Old 01-14-2013, 11:23 PM
 
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Infringements? You still have the right to keep and bear arms... where's the infringement?
Registration is the worst.
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:23 PM
 
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Your proposals are not "reasonable."
Why not?
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:25 PM
 
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Why not?
The proposals would treat gun owners worse than sex offenders and felons. How is that reasonable?
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:28 PM
 
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The proposals would treat gun owners worse than sex offenders and felons. How is that reasonable?
Hyperbole much? It's reasonable to make sure people are not mentally ill or violent criminals before they get to own a killing machine. What about that is not reasonable. It's not like you have to go door to door when you move and tell your neighbors you are a gun owner.
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:37 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Hyperbole much? It's reasonable to make sure people are not mentally ill or violent criminals before they get to own a killing machine. What about that is not reasonable. It's not like you have to go door to door when you move and tell your neighbors you are a gun owner.
Instead of making law abiding citizens register in a huge database which pronounces them as "legally able to purchase and/or own a gun," why not start with a more reasonably sized database - of people who are NOT "legally able to purchase and/or own a gun?" and then simply require a waiting period and a check of that database before purchase or transfer? And stiff penalties for non compliance.

Criminals AND certain forms of mental illness.

I mean, we have some laws like this, but I don't think they're consistent throughout the states and territories.

Of course, this won't stop criminals from skirting the system, but does anyone really think that this is a viable hope anyway?
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:37 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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We should not expect children to die for your rights to own a gun the way you want to own it.

no, but you actually expect government to protect the children? they dont give a crap about anyones children, all they care about is controlling a disarmed populace.
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:38 PM
 
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Registration is the worst.
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:39 PM
 
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just so you know ovcatto, I shall not register 1 firearm at all.
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:43 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Of course, this won't stop criminals from skirting the system, but does anyone really think that this is a viable hope anyway?
This is the red herring gun nuts perpetually bring up. Check out the last few dozen mass killers: THey were NOT criminals beforehand, so in trying to slow them down or stop them, using the mindset that criminals can always buy guns is off topic. A red herring to distract.

The Newtown killer attempted to buy guns via legal means, as his mother had. Had she not had such weapons around a nutjob, his plan would have been DOA. These killers are most often loners, sociopaths, w/o the means/knowledge of how to interact with the people running the underground market for weapons.
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:56 PM
 
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Hyperbole much? It's reasonable to make sure people are not mentally ill or violent criminals before they get to own a killing machine. What about that is not reasonable. It's not like you have to go door to door when you move and tell your neighbors you are a gun owner.
Well, if you live in NY you just might have to... I have a unalienable right to own a firearm I shouldn't be discriminated against and demonized just because I might want to exercise that right. What is the real concern? Is it that you think gun owners are dangerous or that we might go on a killing spree? The reason I ask is because by and large that isn't the case.

55% of the people that go on rampages are mentally defective and on drugs or recently got off of drugs. The ACLU fought for the right of the mentally ill to not be institutionalized and for their privacy some time back which was nice, but now we have a predicament. You can be a sociopath, clearly show tendencies, but it's illegal to lock that person up until they commit a crime.

As far as gangs go, well, they have cartel ties so you won't be able to stop them from having guns.
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