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Old 01-15-2013, 07:45 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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You can't filibuster an EO.

Correct, but they can defund the president. He can't carry it out if the ATF has no money.
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Old 01-15-2013, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I will decide if I'm "happy" or not based on what those alleged 19 EOs actually say and do. Apparently us "emotion driven, mentally sick people" require actual information before those emotional drivers kick in. Who knew?

In response to a clip of Jesse Ventura asking, “Drunk Driving! Do we go to the Ford Motor Company and tell them, ‘Stop making these automobiles because people get drunk and kill people in cars?” Jon Stewart noted, “No. But we do enact stricter blood alcohol limits; raise the drinking age; ramp up enforcement penalties; charge bartenders for serving drunks; and launch huge public awareness campaigns to stigmatize the behavior in question. And we do those things because it might just help bring drunk driving rates down, I don’t know, by two thirds a few decades.”

He then showed a chart demonstrating that, yes, we have cut drunk driving rates from 75% to 22% between 1973 and 2007... without "banning cars."

It is difficult to read the OP and not conclude the writer is projecting. Emotionally driven you say?

Take a breath, and maybe we'll see.
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Old 01-15-2013, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Correct, but they can defund the president. He can't carry it out if the ATF has no money.
You can't defund the ATF with a filibuster either. So the Senate pretty much stands in the way of the sort of congressional response you are dreaming of.
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Old 01-15-2013, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I don't think the president has that authority otherwise they'd just EO all their laws that way. Why put anything to a vote then? If Obama EO this then he will be impeached and this law will be struck down as unconstitutional by the supreme court though I don't think it's possible to do that.
It's clear you don't know what an Executive Order is.

A decent understanding can be gained here: Executive order - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The President heads the Executive branch and is constitutionally charged with enforcing existing laws. The President no doubt has the authority to more aggressive enforce existing gun laws and order sharing the existing gun databases among federal and state agencies. He can also order the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to conduct national research on guns.

Apart from these actions being unconstitutional, they are required in the Constitution.
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Old 01-15-2013, 07:56 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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You can't defund the ATF with a filibuster either. So the Senate pretty much stands in the way of the sort of congressional response you are dreaming of.
The House controls the purse strings.
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The House controls the purse strings.
The Senate has to agree.
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:01 AM
 
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I will decide if I'm "happy" or not based on what those alleged 19 EOs actually say and do. Apparently us "emotion driven, mentally sick people" require actual information before those emotional drivers kick in. Who knew?

In response to a clip of Jesse Ventura asking, “Drunk Driving! Do we go to the Ford Motor Company and tell them, ‘Stop making these automobiles because people get drunk and kill people in cars?” Jon Stewart noted, “No. But we do enact stricter blood alcohol limits; raise the drinking age; ramp up enforcement penalties; charge bartenders for serving drunks; and launch huge public awareness campaigns to stigmatize the behavior in question. And we do those things because it might just help bring drunk driving rates down, I don’t know, by two thirds a few decades.”

He then showed a chart demonstrating that, yes, we have cut drunk driving rates from 75% to 22% between 1973 and 2007... without "banning cars."

It is difficult to read the OP and not conclude the writer is projecting. Emotionally driven you say?

Take a breath, and maybe we'll see.
Oh right, they need to do something....

NFA '34, Gun Control Act 1968, May 19th 1986, AWB '89, AWB '94, NICS, 4473s, FFLs, CCWs and OTHER LAWS (20,000) aren't enough.

You must be one of those blowhard liberal bedwetter teachers.....You don't know jack s*** about history.
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Currently I physically reside on the 3rd planet from the sun
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Joe Biden on guns: White House readies 19 executive actions - POLITICO.com




I hope you liberals are happy. Giving away rights and freedoms that millions of men have died for in this nation. You are an emotion driven, mentally sick people.
The President does not have the power to act unilaterally and bypass Congress to modify the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights.

Congress needs to act or we need to throw them out and get representatives who will do their job and represent the rights and freedoms of the American people.
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It's clear you don't know what an Executive Order is.

A decent understanding can be gained here: Executive order - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The President heads the Executive branch and is constitutionally charged with enforcing existing laws. The President no doubt has the authority to more aggressive enforce existing gun laws and order sharing the existing gun databases among federal and state agencies. He can also order the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to conduct national research on guns.

Apart from these actions being unconstitutional, they are required in the Constitution.
He can also make procedural changes like he did with the illegals with 2 EOs for them.
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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You must be one of those blowhard liberal bedwetter teachers.....You don't know jack s*** about history.
Did somebody say something about "emotion driven?"

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