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Old 01-15-2013, 05:24 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Originally Posted by AeroGuyDC View Post
Stupid premise. You can't protect your children from every measure of harm. Your emotions are irrelevant to the 2nd Amendment.
When laws are made based on emotion and not reason, freedom loses, and we have bad law. The unintended consequence of such law is that (in this case) we put people in greater danger not less.

"Gun free zones" increase the risk of violence.
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Old 01-15-2013, 05:27 AM
 
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If the Republicans have any fight in them, they will kill every single one of those 19 executive actions even if it takes filibustering.
I don't think you realize what an EO is. It is a unilateral order by the president that does not go up for any vote. Its just an order by the president.
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:43 AM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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I don't think you realize what an EO is. It is a unilateral order by the president that does not go up for any vote. Its just an order by the president.
I don't think the president has that authority otherwise they'd just EO all their laws that way. Why put anything to a vote then? If Obama EO this then he will be impeached and this law will be struck down as unconstitutional by the supreme court though I don't think it's possible to do that.
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Some info on what EOs could be coming ...

White House Plan On Guns To Include 19 Executive Actions, Lawmakers Say : The Two-Way : NPR
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Old 01-15-2013, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Compromise on our right to protect ourselves? You serious Clark?
Maybe the 545 ELECTED officials on Capitol Hill (who represent 300,000,000 people) should set an example of COMPROMISING (rather than filibustering and showcasing) before they insist that WE THE PEOPLE do so.
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Old 01-15-2013, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Well, any honest COPs will tell you they can't protect you. It's not their job to be your personal security guard 24/7/365.


Maybe I should put some of my co-workers on the phone for the readers.....
You know, you bring up a very good point.

My brother is currently incarcerated. He is violent, an addict, and suffers from psychosis and a personality disorder. He has threatened family members and gone on violent rampages. When we met with law enforcement officials about when and if he's going to be released, we told them that we were fearful of our safety and the safety of others, because even though it's illegal for him to own a gun, of course that won't stop him. It's illegal for him to come near us on family property (or for that matter, it's illegal for him to come into the county) as well - but of course that won't stop him either.

You know what the police told us? They said, "We can't protect you. You will have to arm and protect yourselves."
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Old 01-15-2013, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Yes, Adam Lanza's mother was sick, and it got her killed. She had all those guns to protect herself, she was in my estimation one of those gun loving conservatives who was readying herself and her mentally unstable sonny boy for judgement day.

Are liberals happy about 26 people dead because of guns? heck NO, we are NOT HAPPY, I don't know where you come up with the garbage you post.
Normal, emotionally and mentally healthy people (both liberal and conservative - and everything in between) are shocked and grieving over this situation. Egotistical, megalomanical, narcissistic, preening politicians are not "normal" people.



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Old 01-15-2013, 07:20 AM
 
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just so you know ovcatto, I shall not register 1 firearm at all.
Amen. Likewise.
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Old 01-15-2013, 07:28 AM
 
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Well, if you live in NY you just might have to... I have a unalienable right to own a firearm I shouldn't be discriminated against and demonized just because I might want to exercise that right. What is the real concern? Is it that you think gun owners are dangerous or that we might go on a killing spree? The reason I ask is because by and large that isn't the case.

55% of the people that go on rampages are mentally defective and on drugs or recently got off of drugs. The ACLU fought for the right of the mentally ill to not be institutionalized and for their privacy some time back which was nice, but now we have a predicament. You can be a sociopath, clearly show tendencies, but it's illegal to lock that person up until they commit a crime.

As far as gangs go, well, they have cartel ties so you won't be able to stop them from having guns.
And this is where the problem lies. Not in evil black rifles or high capacity magazines. When are people going to get it ?
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Old 01-15-2013, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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If the Republicans have any fight in them, they will kill every single one of those 19 executive actions even if it takes filibustering.
You can't filibuster an EO.

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