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I agree, I would like to see them prosecute more criminals who provide false info. But the main purpose of the background check system, is to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally unstable. I'm assuming all of those that failed the background check, were unable to buy weapons at those dealers.
No, I agree it's not. My point is we need to do more to get people who show bizarre behavior (especially teens/20 something males) screened for mental health issues, and ease up the restrictions to then get them into the NICS database if they are shown to be an imminent danger.
You've got a point. In this case, profiling is justified. It is primarily young males who commit most of the violence in our country, whether gang violence or mass shootings. Just leave women off the database..... heh.
A lot of denials and delays are due to incomplete court records and they are overturned...
I was delayed on my last purchase but it went through yesterday, no idea why, never happened before...
I know people with no record that have been denied and overturned on appeal, they never told them why...
Have you ever bought any guns in a anti gun state? If that answer is yes, states that are anti gun can cause delays, because they may not happen to 'feel' like working that day.
I got one of those buying a gun from a store i wasn't working in during the time i spent as a gun store counter clerk. A gun store counter clerk has to pass a harder bc and be finger printed like a criminal, in order to call NICS and etc...
However if you have purchased in anti states you will find your state has a waiver system. You get a FFL Dealer to call into NICS and NICS will mail you a waiver.
The only thing there is local state police will keep a copy of that waiver and you background check on a govt file. I have done this to get back at Mass...... My NICS checks blast through the system and in to NH State Police so fast Mass spins...
The worst checks i have passed are DARE to work with kids..... OMG the questions they ask made me sick. The first time several school ladies had to convince me they had taken the same checks.. And for DARE you take a check each time you do a course..... hardly seems worth it for the money, and i suppose it isn't, but the value comes from teaching skill sets to kids....
Well then set up a mental health screener next to the free condom box in school.
Monthly screenings for all. No parental permission needed.
Names will be sent to the Fed "discreetly" and the patient made to go to mandatory sessions. Hold the sessions at school and have them done by government appointed mental health professionals who can commit them on the spot if they think they are dangerous.
Why do you immediately jump to extremes? All or nothing, no gray area. It's like all those on the pro-gun side who equate an AWB to an all guns ban. It does nothing but sidetrack from what could be reasonable dialogue.
But is that "seriously mentally ill" ? Who gets to define that ?
No one feared enough to want to have him committed before he started shooting ?
And now his defense is claiming he tried to get help due to his mental illness.
I don't know about that.
So a picture or people's feelings is all it takes ?
We're back to the days of the mental asylums.
Husbands had their wife committed.
Parents had their children committed.
Who determines "normal" actions and looks ?
Oh, cry me a river. I'm probably going to have to start shooting clays with my great grandpa's shotgun because we can't get a grip on a few kids with their brains wired wrong. It's been said millions of times, but guns don't kill people, people do. Lock the little jerks up, throw away the key. Deal with it somehow for pete's sake, we have a problem.
You've got a point. In this case, profiling is justified. It is primarily young males who commit most of the violence in our country, whether gang violence or mass shootings. Just leave women off the database..... heh.
Gang violence..these people don't buy their guns at Cabela's and fill out forms
Ok, but is "concerns" enough to have someone put into a mentally ill database ?
The implementation of a mental illness database for gun purchases is daunting. But I would say one of the criteria that should be adopted is violent ideation or actions --- so if a person reveals to a psychiatrist that they are having thoughts of killing others, then they will be put on that list.
Oh, cry me a river. I'm probably going to have to start shooting clays with my great grandpa's shootgun because we can't get a grip on a few kids with their brains wired wrong. It's been said millions of times, but guns don't kill people, people do. Lock the little jerks up, throw away the key. Deal with it somehow for pete's sake, we have a problem.
Ok well the problem seems to be access to guns.
That's what the WH is going to fix.
Put mental health specialists in schools but who knows what they will be able to do.
Can a government worker commit a kid as a danger to society ?
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