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Old 01-23-2013, 09:36 AM
 
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This is hysterical. They cut off the census information to the right that shows he's an immigrant from Russia, and they didn't show the top that shows he's in NYC. I can't link to Ancestry.com because it's a subscription service, but I think any of you can try it out on a free trial basis. Type Harrison J. Bounel in a search engine, go to the 1940 census, and up pops Harry living in NYC in 1940, born in 1890 in Russia, living as a lodger.

He's living in the Bronx, NY, and the enumeration district is 3-1199. He's on page 26, line 48. There's no spouse listed.
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:38 AM
 
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There is no one with standing to challenge Barack Obama's eligibility to be President.
Mitt Romney would certainly have standing.
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:39 AM
 
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Sovereign Citizenship is the status held by our forefathers. George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, and everyone else who won their freedom from the British Empire had this status. It was the birthright of all Americans, and we were generous in extending this most important right to foreign-born persons through the naturalization laws. With this status, our unalienable rights of life, liberty, and property couldn't be infringed. During the Civil War a method was discovered by the leading attorneys, financiers, and politicians of the day to deprive us of this status.



The word "sovereign" is defined in the 6th edition of Black's Law Dictionary, published in 1990, as being, "A person, body, or state in which independent authority is vested; a chief ruler with supreme power; a king or other ruler in a monarchy." Prior to the War for American Independence, the British king was the sovereign and the American people were his subjects. The war's outcome changed all this.


State v. Manuel, North Carolina, Vol. 20, Page 121 (1838)
The term "sovereign citizen" is an oxymoron. To be a "citizen" must admit that one is subject to the rule of law, which is the prerogative of state sovereignty. To be "sovereign" admits no superior rule.
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:39 AM
 
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Yes, his choice to keep them hidden, has raise many to doubt as to who this man really is and what has happened in his educational life.

I have heard and seen all that has been released and heard all the rebuttals. It does not favor Obama the least. Things just don't add up.
Yep. He's chosen to keep his college records hidden - just like every other president throughout our history has.
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:42 AM
 
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That's the russian immigrant from NYC
who doesn't appear to have ever lived in CT ( which would contradict an earlier birther claim about SS# prefixes ).

the "dr conspiracy" article has some interesting research on census records about "harry bounel".

Taitz involved in criminal conspiracy? - Obama Conspiracy Theories
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:45 AM
 
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Mitt Romney would certainly have standing.
not after jan 6th. it's completely out of the courts' hands and in congress' lap ( if the birthers are wondering who they need to harass ).


....altho orly taitz is still continuing her crusade in the courts.

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Old 01-23-2013, 09:45 AM
 
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I think you are right; these people are in it for the money for as long as it lasts. None of the challenges to President Obama's eligibility have succeeded because there is no person that has standing to sue; and, for that reason, the federal courts do not have subject matter jurisdiction over the matter. These spurious lawsuits and frivolous appeals have no merit. They will slacken when their proponents are sanctioned under the federal rules. No doubt, the speculation will continue unabated; but after speculation has done its worst, they will finally cease when the lawyers find nothing more to be made from them.
There is nothing prohibiting a post election vetment by congress.

The Congress is not held to Article III "routing' restrictions.

Does the Congress have "standing"?

Well, yeah!

"Are you now, or have you ever been, the man you claim you are?"
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:46 AM
 
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This is hysterical. They cut off the census information to the right that shows he's an immigrant from Russia, and they didn't show the top that shows he's in NYC. .
So what if he is a immigrant. What has that have to do with anything? The key is the 1890 birthdate. The whole census can be seen in my OP and zoomed in on.
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:47 AM
 
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This is hysterical. They cut off the census information to the right that shows he's an immigrant from Russia, and they didn't show the top that shows he's in NYC. I can't link to Ancestry.com because it's a subscription service, but I think any of you can try it out on a free trial basis. Type Harrison J. Bounel in a search engine, go to the 1940 census, and up pops Harry living in NYC in 1940, born in 1890, living as a lodger.

He's living in the Bronx, NY, and the enumeration district is 3-1199. He's on page 26, line 48. There's no spouse listed.

Ancestry is good, but familysearch.org is better. since Mormons track genealogy, the census for 1940 is publicly available

https://familysearch.org/search/reco...r%3A1890-1940~

Harry Bounel
United States Census, 1940

birth
1890
Russia

residence
1940
Assembly District 7, Bronx, New York City, Bronx, New York, United States

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KQMF-5H4
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3....BV:n1985124526


by the Census, he was a lodger with the Julius Family (who were from Austria), and was 50 years of age in 1940.

Unlike birthers, I don't obfuscate the information, and shows that Birthers do not understand real estate law.
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:48 AM
 
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The term "sovereign citizen" is an oxymoron. To be a "citizen" must admit that one is subject to the rule of law, which is the prerogative of state sovereignty. To be "sovereign" admits no superior rule.
Only one kind of citizenship, not two or more?
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