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Honestly, I have brought up a similar point in the past.
I am Pro-Choice, because I know people's views are very different then mine.
But personally I am against abortion.
I have often wondered how my generation will be viewed in the future. What will history books say? Germans didn't feel Jews were worthy of "life" Yet we do something kind of similar every day. What are we at a million abortions a year?
Either way, I do think it gets pushed under the carpet a little bit.
Are you also against abortion in the case of incest or rape ?
Are you also against abortion in the case of incest or rape ?
Personally yes, but as I stated others have different beliefs then me, and I am pro choice.
But personalally, I love my kids, they will always be perfect to me and I will love them unconditionally. Both above situations are tragic and horrible. But it is not the babies fault, it is a brand new innocent life that doesn't know what happened.
Let's say Hitler raped a woman. The woman never saw him again and came to US. A child from rape and evil. Still will be an innocent child and if raised right will be a great kid. Other then genetic material, the child will be raised differently.
I understand not all people believe this way.
, but will respect it. Similar to me eating beef, even though others think they are sacred, but understand my beliefs are different.
I thought it brought up some of the decent questions.
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He keeps asking about killing people or groups of people and if you'd do it. At one point (illustrating a point about uncertainty as to when the fetus becomes a human life) he poses the question: if I think there might be people in that building but I'm not sure - should I just go ahead and blow it up? For me there's a disconnect there and the way I want to explain it is crude but hopefully you can see my point. I could kill a spider but I could never kill a horse; I could kill a tick or a mosquito but I could never kill a dog or a cat. It sounds awful to use these insect and animal examples to make my point but it does convey the same general sentiment of why pro choice and pro abortion people feel it is ok to kill a fetus. It's all taking a life, but sometimes that feels more wrong than others.
Which does bring me to the best argument against abortion I've ever heard which I also mentioned in another thread. The idea that if we declassify certain groups as non-human in order to justify murdering them, or mistreating them, or buying and selling them, it may only be a matter of time before you & I are defined as non-human too.. There was ample opportunity for Ray to make this argument with all of his Nazi / Holocaust info. but he failed to do so.
I also didn't see why the street conversions were included in this film.
First, let me say that Ray Comfort preys upon people's emotional sentiments regarding pain and suffering in order to generate an agreement with his position - that is - the proof he offers is your own feelings regarding issues of pain, suffering, and justice. The problem is these are just subjective sentiments and Ray does nothing to demonstrate their objective metaphysical nature.
Second, regarding the above quote: His point was that of acting out of ignorance. That is, if you are not sure that the fetus is a human being or when it becomes a human being then you should refrain from acting - in other words the argument that we don't know if it is a human being is not a good argument for aborting. Which begs the question how do we arrive at knowledge regarding this subject?
Third, this leds to my last point. Every world view is predicated in large part upon definitions. Therefore, the best way to arrive at such definitions should not be a priori but a posteriori. Hence science has helped us come to a reasoned conclusion on matters of biology and as such we do not need to rely upon religous dogma like the 10 commandments and doctrines like substance dualism as reasons for not aborting. If human life begins - say at 5 weeks after conception - then that is when we should allow abortions to take place and no later. Otherwise, Ray is just playing-up theological assumptions that have been with us for thousands of years plus the biological impulses we have against pain and suffering which Ray links to abortion and equates with Hitler thus prejudicing his ignorant audience with this maze of religous and emotional jibberish.
Once again, many of you claim that we are experiencing a Holocaust in our midst, millions of "babies" are being murdered and your response is, "Change the law?" Serial killers have been enabled to "murder" millions and your response is to wait until enough similarly minded are placed on the Supreme Court, which all of you will acknowledge will take years. Meanwhile, millions more will be "murdered." When I ask you how you can justify this feeble response, you claim that taking decisive action to stop these serial killers would be "anti-life." You're "pro-life." Of course, exactly none of you are pacifists. You all defend killing and war to defend innocent lives. Would you also have argued that using whatever means necessary to disable extermination camps in your midst would be wrong, that we should "change the law" because killing serial killers would be "anti-life?"
Why, in the face of "Holocaust" in our midst, do you offer such feeble defenses of your inaction? Because you don't really believe it's a Holocaust nor do you believe "babies" are really being murdered.
I generally consider myself a pro-life Christian personally, but that is some of the craziest vomit of nonsense I have ever witnessed.
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