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Old 01-13-2015, 05:25 PM
 
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That is the truth plain and simple. Anti gunners might spout but but... *statistically* their guns and freedom to own a gun would have caused more harm than good (a false statistic contrived) but the truth is those employees never stood a chance because they were unable to defend themselves so gun control cost them their lives. It is a clear example of gun restrictions denying a person a chance to survive a attack.

They were in a situation where death threats were real, violence had already been threatened and carried out. While the first few people might have been caught off guard the rest of employees aware to the situation could have fought back possibly saving lives and ending the lives of the terrorists.

Maybe those employees rejected the thought of arming themselves despite real and eminent threat and thought they were courageous displaying their pencils in the face of guns but that assured they had no chance of survival.

Oh you can respond back that but the terrorists had weapon training , had bigger or more guns, had the element of surprise, but the fact is after the first shots rang out the people inside could have fought back and possibly lived if they had even a 9mm pistol to defend themselves with.

It goes back to the saying when seconds count the cops are only minutes away and even if the cops were there in time (which they were in this case) ultimately your own fate is in your own hands.

Maybe those employees wouldn't have been able to save themselves had they been carrying a weapon but one thing is for sure they never had a chance because they weren't or weren't allowed.
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Old 01-13-2015, 05:29 PM
 
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If we must be constantly be armed to feel protected than the terrorists have won. The day we live in constant fear is the day we no longer live in a free society. I for one hope we never live in a time where being armed is the only way to ever feel safe.
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Old 01-13-2015, 05:35 PM
 
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Or maybe one of these EE's owned a gun and it was stolen and used to kill 2 police officers as they sat in their patrol car by a white supremacist. One of the officers was a Muslim and that radicalizes his son to grow up and blow himself up in 10 years in the Paris subway killing 25. But wait (back to the office) another EE had a gun on him and heard the gunshots and ended up killing 3 of his fellow EE's in the confusion. Luckily he also killed one of the terrorists. Hey, at least he got to defend himself.

Anyway, this is fun!!! Have a good night.
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Old 01-13-2015, 05:38 PM
 
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If we must be constantly be armed to feel protected than the terrorists have won. The day we live in constant fear is the day we no longer live in a free society. I for one hope we never live in a time where being armed is the only way to ever feel safe.
We are under constant survellience, we have already lost. And woe be to anyone who dare violate a progressive tenet by protecting themselves and not abdicating their personal safety to the state
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Old 01-13-2015, 05:40 PM
 
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To the responses, when you know there are people giving you death threats, who are known to carry them out it is prudent to take steps to defend yourself , so spare me from the "the terrorists will have won if I have to defend myself"

As far as maybe this or that how a gun could fall in the wrong hands, forget speculation. The fact is banning someone to have a weapon assured they had no chance of defending their life pure and simple.
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Old 01-13-2015, 05:49 PM
 
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Or maybe one of these EE's owned a gun and it was stolen and used to kill 2 police officers as they sat in their patrol car by a white supremacist. One of the officers was a Muslim and that radicalizes his son to grow up and blow himself up in 10 years in the Paris subway killing 25. But wait (back to the office) another EE had a gun on him and heard the gunshots and ended up killing 3 of his fellow EE's in the confusion. Luckily he also killed one of the terrorists. Hey, at least he got to defend himself.

Anyway, this is fun!!! Have a good night.
How is it that during WW2 when the Jews fought back in the famous Warsaw ghetto uprising, history and people tout it as heroic and something to be admired? Or the French resistance for that matter?

Warsaw Ghetto Uprising - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Because according to you we all should be dismissing their actions as reckless because "statistically* the Jews who armed themselves and fought back were more likely to shoot their friend or foot off. So according to you it is safer to live like a sheep and take a chance when the lion comes looking for its meal.
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Old 01-13-2015, 05:51 PM
 
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Great yet another "France needs more guns" thread.
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Old 01-13-2015, 05:57 PM
 
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Yawn. Had. If. Maybe. Whatever. Grow up.
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Old 01-13-2015, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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To the responses, when you know there are people giving you death threats, who are known to carry them out it is prudent to take steps to defend yourself , so spare me from the "the terrorists will have won if I have to defend myself"

As far as maybe this or that how a gun could fall in the wrong hands, forget speculation. The fact is banning someone to have a weapon assured they had no chance of defending their life pure and simple.
Wasn't there an armed guard at the building that was shot first? Having to be armed at all times to feel safe isn't the definition of being safe and free.
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Old 01-13-2015, 06:03 PM
 
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Great yet another "France needs more guns" thread.
A thread about any place and any people with a clear insight that shows gun control kills people as much as you think it saves people. You if you believe in gun restriction, you took any chance of survival away from these people. Gun ownership might NOT have saved them but your denying them assured they never had a chance.

Besides a cartoonist threatened by a terrorist, it could just as well be a woman who's ex seeks revenge or some hater who thinks gays should die carrying out such evil. Your denying them a right to own a weapon assured they never had a chance.

But that's alright, just keep telling the victims "well statistically you might have shot someone by accident or shot your foot off so rest in peace".
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