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Old 01-10-2015, 07:00 AM
 
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Old 01-10-2015, 07:04 AM
 
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The terrorists want to control people through violence. Politicians want to control people through laws. When those laws don't work as we have seen, they will resort to violence also.
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Old 01-10-2015, 12:40 PM
 
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The terrorists want to control people through violence. Politicians want to control people through laws. When those laws don't work as we have seen, they will resort to violence also.
It doesn't explain the curtail of freedom and liberties, we have ?
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Old 01-10-2015, 12:48 PM
 
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It doesn't explain the curtail of freedom and liberties, we have ?
I'm not exactly sure your point.
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Old 01-10-2015, 03:35 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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It doesn't explain the curtail of freedom and liberties, we have ?
Freedom and liberties are contextual not absolute. The world changes, technology changes and we have to adapt to it.

I don't have the answer to the perfect balance between "freedom and liberties" and "security".
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Old 01-10-2015, 03:36 PM
 
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The terrorists want to control people through violence. Politicians want to control people through laws. When those laws don't work as we have seen, they will resort to violence also.
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Old 01-10-2015, 03:46 PM
 
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The terrorists want to control people through violence. Politicians want to control people through laws. When those laws don't work as we have seen, they will resort to violence also.
That's not true, that's their jobs that we elect them to do. If you don't want to be controlled, then go to some place that isn't controlled.
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Old 01-10-2015, 03:49 PM
 
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That's not true, that's their jobs that we elect them to do. If you don't want to be controlled, then go to some place that isn't controlled.
It is true. It's why the Supreme Court threw out McCain/Feingold.
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Old 01-10-2015, 04:05 PM
 
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It is true. It's why the Supreme Court threw out McCain/Feingold.
That's an entirely different issue.
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Old 01-10-2015, 04:06 PM
 
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That's an entirely different issue.
Control. That is what it was about.
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