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Old 02-15-2013, 01:06 PM
 
Location: west mich
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Like the Democrats never blocked any nominations?
Hagel isn't qualified. His nomination should be blocked.
You are in denial of the republican obstructionist vendetta against Obama, and you continue to post nothing but vacuous indignant responses. Can you do no better? Jeez, add something...
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Old 02-15-2013, 01:11 PM
 
Location: west mich
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It was as if he was given a set of talking points to memorize, and anything that was not on that list.... he sputtered and sounded utterly incoherent. When have we had a top level cabinet nominee given crib notes by the teacher, telling them they got a question wrong?

Our sec of defense better be a top notch person, who can think on their feet and know what they are talking about, not come off as a bumbling buffoon. So if a few "wingnuts" want to ask a few more questions of this idiot, he better not come off like he is doubling down on his previous buffoonery.
The questions were self-serving republican grandstanding designed to muddle the proceedings but speak to the base - such is their desperation.
It is the repub questioners who are the disingenuous buffoons.
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Old 02-15-2013, 02:13 PM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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Hagel is a yes man, an appeaser, who says stupid things just to get media attention. I've heard him described that way, and people don't want a yes man as our Sec. of Def, who will not have the courage and character to be straight with the president, and instead tell him whatever he thinks he wants to hear.
Someone like Rumsfelt. Gotcha!
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Old 02-15-2013, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Hagel is a yes man, an appeaser, who says stupid things just to get media attention. I've heard him described that way, and people don't want a yes man as our Sec. of Def, who will not have the courage and character to be straight with the president, and instead tell him whatever he thinks he wants to hear.
You couldn't be more wrong, he has gone against the grain of his party, why do you think they are his largest critic. He has been outspoken on Israel, Iran and the DOD.
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Old 02-15-2013, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Are you ok with that? Betcha you would be if the President had an R after his name. As a matter of fact I am ok with it, at every level of government. Unlike most, if not all on this Forum, I am an elected official and have to do the "advise and consent" stuff at times. And I have voted no on appointments simply because I didn't like the person and there are others I wish I had voted no on but didn't because I was "showing a willingness to work with the opposition". Don't much do that any more.
To vote against someone for no objective reason is senseless, particularly for secretarial appointments. They are not even at a point to vote his approval, presently they are voting that thye do not even want a vote of approval to reach the floor. He will eventually be approved, this is nothing but historic nonsense over issues that have absolutely nothing to do with his qualifications.
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Old 02-15-2013, 03:30 PM
 
Location: west mich
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Hagel, as a republican, made some statements which suggested that we should not automatically agree with everything Israel does - true statements, some pro-Palestine, which wadded some hysterical republicans' panties - and Democrats took note of these for their own use. Now repubs are using them.

Now grandstanding republicans, lacking anything else, are using them as a bludgeon to get at Obama as part of their admitted aim of blocking anything he wants and attempting to make him ineffective for 2014 and 2016.
Okay, righties, why do you think we should be in lockstep with Israel? Doesn't that make us some sort of toady, without a right to independent thought or action? Oh, wait, I forgot - republicans....
That's all it's about - what a pathetic bunch.
Chuck Hagel and Israel in context: A guide to his controversial statements - The Washington Post

This short article exposes the irrelevance of some of the questioning.
Chuck Hagel Israel Comments At the Forefront Of Confirmation Hearing
From the article: "The ironic part of all this is that these questions would be more relevant in hearing were Hagel nominated for secretary of state — the nation's chief diplomat. The secretary of defense is first and foremost charged with implementing the president's national security. This is perhaps instructive, as many lawmakers consider American and Israeli national security one and the same".

In other words, he will not be making policy toward Israel, or anyone else.

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Old 02-15-2013, 03:36 PM
 
Location: the ass of nowhere (the midwest)
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They don't like him because he's not a war-mongering, Zionist nut-case. Any questions?
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:41 PM
 
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Hagel, as a republican, made some statements which suggested that we should not automatically agree with everything Israel does - true statements, some pro-Palestine, which wadded some hysterical republicans' panties - and Democrats took note of these for their own use. Now repubs are using them.
He also said that we shouldn't have gay ambassador's.
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:56 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Filibustering a cabinet nominee is virtually unprecedented, because it violates the time-honored principle that presidents should be able to pick their cabinet.
"Time honored?" If that is the case, why does the Constitution require Senate Confirmation? It is just one of many checks that the founders put in place to prevent a President from filling his cabinet with cronies, who might be interested in a power grab (to put it in todays terms). Our founders wisely established many checks because they did not trust government, nor corruptible men.


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I'm beginning to believe the "R" in "R"epublican really means REVERSE.
Hagel, willing to reach across partisan lines, is probably the main reason for obstructing. The hard righties can't have any of that bipartisanship now can they?
Baloney! Besides, we shouldn't be "reaching across the isle" just simply for the sake of appearing "bi-partisan." Bi-partisanship doesn't translate into good government. Sometimes, perhaps. But it is no substitute for healthy disagreement, and the American people usually come up on the short end of the stick on "bi-partisan" deals.

As it stands right now, there is good reason to oppose most of the Democrat (Obama) agenda. It isn't good for the American people. None of it! It's all bad, and it's the reason that this country isn't creating any new jobs. In case you haven't noticed, the economy is abysmal and has been for four years now. There isn't anything that Obama and the Democrats have proposed that will change it. It isn't that Republicans are obstructing good policy proposals. They are obstucting bad (insane) policy proposals.

In my opinion, Republicans aren't doing enough to block this Presidents agenda. We need to be doing more! Why? Because none of it is good, that's why! It's all bad for America.
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:33 PM
 
Location: west mich
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"Time honored?" If that is the case, why does the Constitution require Senate Confirmation? It is just one of many checks that the founders put in place to prevent a President from filling his cabinet with cronies, who might be interested in a power grab (to put it in todays terms). Our founders wisely established many checks because they did not trust government, nor corruptible men.




Baloney! Besides, we shouldn't be "reaching across the isle" just simply for the sake of appearing "bi-partisan." Bi-partisanship doesn't translate into good government. Sometimes, perhaps. But it is no substitute for healthy disagreement, and the American people usually come up on the short end of the stick on "bi-partisan" deals.

As it stands right now, there is good reason to oppose most of the Democrat (Obama) agenda. It isn't good for the American people. None of it! It's all bad, and it's the reason that this country isn't creating any new jobs. In case you haven't noticed, the economy is abysmal and has been for four years now. There isn't anything that Obama and the Democrats have proposed that will change it. It isn't that Republicans are obstructing good policy proposals. They are obstucting bad (insane) policy proposals.

In my opinion, Republicans aren't doing enough to block this Presidents agenda. We need to be doing more! Why? Because none of it is good, that's why! It's all bad for America.
Wow, blocking jobs bills and blocking Obama's agenda are the reason no jobs are being created? Do you realize what you're saying?
Obama's programs not put into effect are the reason for the bad economy?
The economy has been bad for only four years?
And of course you have zero data, and know nothing about any of the 500 filibustered bills.
Again, I would guess you don't even realize the contradictions in these statements.
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