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Old 02-14-2013, 10:28 AM
 
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First, they argued that there was no violation of anyone’s protected rights in a law that entirely bans homeschooling. There would only be a problem if Germany banned homeschooling for some but permitted it for others.Now in reality, Germany does permit some people to homeschool, but it is rare and in general Germany does ban homeschooling broadly—although not completely. (Germany allows exemptions from compulsory attendance for Gypsies and those whose jobs require constant travel. Those who want to stay at home and teach their own children are always denied.)……There are two major portions of constitutional rights of citizens—fundamental liberties and equal protection. The U.S. Attorney General has said this about homeschooling. There is no fundamental liberty to homeschool. So long as a government bans homeschooling broadly and equally, there is no violation of your rights. This is a view which gives some acknowledgement to the principle of equal protection but which entirely jettisons the concept of fundamental liberties.
Parents should have a right to control how their child is educated.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:37 AM
 
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Parents should have a right to control how their child is educated.
But, but... that runs counter to Big Brother's plan to indoctrinate our children in "right" thinking. I've already collided with my child's teachers on a number of things, including the propriety of saying "other cultures are of equal value within American borders", that guns are "bad things", and that "real families sometimes do have two parents of the same gender (and it's ok)".

Libs!

I've since pulled her from that school.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:40 AM
 
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Parents should have a right to control how their child is educated.
The operative phrase in your sentence is "should" which indicates that even you agree with Holder that there is no right that can be asserted to prevent the government, state or federal from prohibiting home schooling.

And, and despite the overly broad statement, I agree that parents should have the right to choose their child's education, in home education, private or public... which is well below the right to control their education.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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What Mr. Holder is saying is that there is no U.S. constitutional protection from a state deciding to ban homeschooling, as long as it does not ban it for some but not others. That is certainly within a state's domain to decide as it sees fit. There is no fundamental liberty to homeschool. The issue of whether parents should have a right to control how their child is educated, is a decision rightfully left to the legislature.

Those of you on the right should be cheering "states rights."
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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As long as he doesn't put his beliefs into actions. I think you would see a great underground movement if that happened. There is nothing in the Constitution of the United States of America, that I have read, that compels you to educate your child in a government run school either.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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As long as he doesn't put his beliefs into actions. I think you would see a great underground movement if that happened. There is nothing in the Constitution of the United States of America, that I have read, that compels you to educate your child in a government run school either.
It's in the 10th Amendment:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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It's in the 10th Amendment:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
And this is NOT one of the powers delegated to the United States.
That allows the states to bring up this legislation and try to pass it, NOT the fed. And it should be a state-to-state thing, NOT a federal thing. That brings it closer to the people. As should a lot of other issues handled by the fed.
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:03 PM
 
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Parents should have a right to control how their child is educated.
Holder is and always has been a seditionist America Hating traitor.

Those are the nicest things I can day about this dirtbag.
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:07 PM
 
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The operative phrase in your sentence is "should" which indicates that even you agree with Holder that there is no right that can be asserted to prevent the government, state or federal from prohibiting home schooling.

And, and despite the overly broad statement, I agree that parents should have the right to choose their child's education, in home education, private or public... which is well below the right to control their education.
Should in meaning a right & for it to be carried out.
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:18 PM
 
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The operative phrase in your sentence is "should" which indicates that even you agree with Holder that there is no right that can be asserted to prevent the government, state or federal from prohibiting home schooling.

And, and despite the overly broad statement, I agree that parents should have the right to choose their child's education, in home education, private or public... which is well below the right to control their education.
If the state can demand ... even take a child away from a parent for refusing to allow said state to indoctrinate that child with philosophies and beliefs which the parent deems inappropriate or harmful, then the child and the parent are nothing more than property of the state.

Human beings are not anyone's property ... and certainly not property of the state. But according to the statists, we are. People of sound mind who embrace liberty reject such blathering nonsense, and will never submit to it, just as history has shown over and over again. Such imposition of slave like treatment will only be tolerated for a short period of time, and then hell breaks loose, and the master's whip winds up wrapped around his own neck, as well as the necks of his followers and enablers.
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