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Old 02-26-2013, 12:32 AM
 
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ok hold on and i will try to find out...plus I just don't think in opinion T would chase after something without very good back up
Trump was doing this at a time when his reality tv series was about the start. Since many people have pretty much given up on watching the series, it was nothing more than a stunt to try and get viewers to watch his flailing tv series.

Trump is an entertainer. His children have more business sense these days.

 
Old 02-26-2013, 12:33 AM
 
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ok hold on and i will try to find out...plus I just don't think in opinion T[rump] would chase after something without very good back up, maybe hes wrong or something in his report is off who knows.
LOL. Trump is a megalomaniac and the textbook definition of narcissistic personality disorder. He believes his own garbage regardless of evidence to the contrary.
 
Old 02-26-2013, 12:37 AM
 
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LOL. Trump is a megalomaniac and the textbook definition of narcissistic personality disorder. He believes his own garbage regardless of evidence to the contrary.
Ok will get in a moment ....we'll have to agree to disagree on reading Trump.
 
Old 02-26-2013, 12:41 AM
 
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this is an outright lie, and you know this to be a lie, because you've been told this is a lie, ).
No it's not a lie and you are desperately trying to obfuscate by referring to pro Obama blogs from 2008 when the birth certificate in question was released in 2011. By the way, in your first link, about 98% of the comments didn't believe the article. The best solution is that the ORIGINAL DOCUMENT can be easily subjected to unbiased examination by experts in the field of ink and paper authentication for that era - yes, there are entire careers devoted to those subjects about document verification. The chemical compositions of the ink and paper can be dated and attributed to a specific manufacturer and era. Obama needs to release his original 50 year old vital vault birth record to clear the matter up.
 
Old 02-26-2013, 12:44 AM
 
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Trump is a megalomaniac and the textbook definition of narcissistic personality disorder. He believes his own garbage regardless of evidence to the contrary.
You are describing that one currently squatting in the White House to a 'T'.

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Old 02-26-2013, 12:47 AM
 
Location: Salinas, CA
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Obama is best served to concentrate on helping the country complete the economic recovery and on budget and gun violence issues. Anyone that would want him to divert time to any more of this nonsense is just bitter and full of sour grapes. It is time to put this nonsense aside and work together for the benefit of our fellow Americans!
 
Old 02-26-2013, 12:48 AM
 
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He may not be qualified, but that is another issue that deals with his incompetency, not his constitutional eligibility.

Let's focus on limiting the damage that he can do.
Number one priority is don't allow him to appoint another SC justice!
 
Old 02-26-2013, 12:59 AM
 
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Trump was doing this at a time when his reality tv series was about the start. Since many people have pretty much given up on watching the series, it was nothing more than a stunt to try and get viewers to watch his flailing tv series.

Trump is an entertainer. His children have more business sense these days.
couldn't find the ifo but will try and find tom

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Old 02-26-2013, 01:21 AM
 
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Number one priority is don't allow him to appoint another SC justice!
LOL. You're dreaming. He's probably going to be able to appoint at least 2. At least one will be a woman. Anyone he appoints will be "liberal". Doesn't that just make you crazy ?!? LOL.
 
Old 02-26-2013, 01:24 AM
 
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No it's not a lie and you are desperately trying to obfuscate by referring to pro Obama blogs from 2008 when the birth certificate in question was released in 2011.
It is completely a lie. Anyone can do this on their own and see that the birthers are nothing but full of it.

Anyone in an office with a commercial copy/fax/printer can scan straight to PDF (like how the staff of the White House did).

Open resulting PDF in Illustrator. Voila. Clipping masks in layers within the document. As has been explained to you, Steve, numerous times, that is the way Illustrator works. It has to interpret what it thinks are elements within the scanned document and translates into items it can understand. It's also "smart" enough to discern text from a background and uses a process to render these as their own layer. The process isn't 100% perfect which is why some text remain on the original image layer.

I've been working with PDF documents (scanning and CREATING them from scratch, through Quark Express, Illustrator, InDesign and Photoshop) for nearly 20 years. And I tested the exact process with my own Hawaii COLB when the first claims of "layers" appeared on the net 4 years ago. The birther claim is absolute crap.


Oh damn, pdf opened in Illustrator has layer:



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By the way, in your first link, about 98% of the comments didn't believe the article.
Birthers are known to deny reality. Which is why the author provides the actual scanned document to donwload and see for yourself. But of course, you wouldn't do that, since it destroys the claim of birthers.

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The best solution is that the ORIGINAL DOCUMENT can be easily subjected to unbiased examination by experts in the field of ink and paper authentication for that era - yes, there are entire careers devoted to those subjects about document verification.
doesn't matter. You could have 1000 experts, Full Faith and Credit clause trumps your experts.


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The chemical compositions of the ink and paper can be dated and attributed to a specific manufacturer and era. Obama needs to release his original 50 year old vital vault birth record to clear the matter up.
doesn't matter. You could have 1000 experts, Full Faith and Credit clause trumps your experts.

As long as the agency that is tasked by LAW to archive birth records says its 100% real and acurate, and they have the record in their possession, their word is 100% evidence . Full Faith and Credit clause, something YOU have yet to read and understand.

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