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Old 05-10-2014, 12:03 AM
 
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Only 38 percent of those tested in 2013 scored as proficient readers on the National Assessment of Educational Progress, known as the “Nation’s Report Card,” released today by the Education Department. Three-quarters failed to show math proficiency. The scores were little changed from 2009, when the test was last given.
High School Seniors in U.S. Fail to Show Reading, Math Progress - Bloomberg
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Old 05-10-2014, 12:11 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Democrats are for making public schools better, not "protecting" them.
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Old 05-10-2014, 12:16 AM
 
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Democrats are for making public schools better, not "protecting" them.
I don't know about you but if I keep trying the same thing over and over and fail it's time for a different approach. Educating our children is important but it's time to take a step back and look at different ways of doing this.
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Old 05-10-2014, 01:21 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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I don't know about you but if I keep trying the same thing over and over and fail it's time for a different approach. Educating our children is important but it's time to take a step back and look at different ways of doing this.
The above is an over used statement. I have yet to see any school use the same approach after they see it failed.

And there are public schools that do quite well you when it comes to test scores.
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Old 05-10-2014, 01:43 AM
 
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And there are public schools that do quite well you when it comes to test scores.
Clearly there is some good public schools like the district I'm in, I'm not too happy about the ongoing teacher strike that has disrupted the kids education and peoples lives because they don't want to pay 5% for their Cadillac health insurance. There is equal amount of public schools that are abysmal though.

They had plan here in PA of providing vouchers to students in the worst performing districts, those students would have been able to use those vouchers at any public or private school. Strongly opposed by the union protecting the jobs of teachers in failing schools.
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Old 05-10-2014, 03:22 AM
 
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Democrats are for making public schools better, not "protecting" them.
Yeah, it has nothing to do with protecting one of their biggest political supporters, the teachers union, right?

Just like their opposition to reasonable tort reform has nothing to do with protecting another one of their big supporters, the trial lawyers association, right?
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Old 05-10-2014, 04:18 AM
 
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Unions.............nothing else.......

I will clarify I've run it to some very good teachers............a math teacher challenged my daughter last year and told her (because she is smart) to keep on in math........but most I've run across are more worried about their coaching duties later in the day or heading home. All about the children.

I did send a commendation award to the one who actually challenged my girl for some teacher award..........he of course lost. I sold him my basketball hoop for twenty bucks though when we moved...............could have got plenty more. One good teacher...............ten who don't care is how it goes it seems.

Don't even get me started about the admin either. They despise me. lol
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Old 05-10-2014, 04:19 AM
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I don't know about you but if I keep trying the same thing over and over and fail it's time for a different approach. Educating our children is important but it's time to take a step back and look at different ways of doing this.
No one is stopping you from doing so. The issue is that that isn't what you're actually implying. I think you're committing a deception in your claims here. I think you're looking to undercut public education to foster your own personal preferences, without regard to how your intentions would adversely affect people you don't care about.

Let's test this to see: Make your proposal, clear and comprehensive, and demonstrate without exception that no child living below 400% FPL would face any substantive risk of a lesser education. Be sure to avoid trying to to inanely suggest "separate but equal". Be sure to account for the negative impact on those you don't care about from suggestions that result in the children of people you like getting something better. Let's see how much integrity your comments, here, really have. I doubt you'll be able to come up with such a suggestion that exhibits honor and integrity with regard to these parameters I've outlined.

But heck, it you actually ever could get to that point, that would be great. I'd love to see some new ideas promulgated to make things better. But only if the rising sea lifts all boats.
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Old 05-10-2014, 04:24 AM
 
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Democrats are for making public schools better, not "protecting" them.
They have an odd way of showing it. Less than 40% of high school graduates are proficient in reading. Only 25% are proficient in math. And those abysmal statistics exist even though in several of our biggest cities, less than 2/3 of the students even graduate at all.
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Old 05-10-2014, 04:26 AM
 
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I don't know about you but if I keep trying the same thing over and over and fail it's time for a different approach. Educating our children is important but it's time to take a step back and look at different ways of doing this.
Exactly!
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