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So are you advocating shooting the police if you think they're overstepping their bounds? How exactly would you use your gun to protect yourself from the government? Would it be OK for you to shoot up a federal building, or bomb it to the ground, if you thought you were justified?
A bit of a leading question there! We'll indulge you. Let's say you posted on a forum that gun laws are un-constitutional, and the government decides that under NDAA you are or may someday be a potential terrorist. They send a SWAT team to break down your door and charge in un-announced with no search warrant. Do you have the right to defend your family and property from such an invasion by government forces?
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My "agenda" is to bring the 2nd Amendment discussion out of the vague, comfortable, abstractions and into concrete realities. A dead cop. A grieving widow. A shooter that acted as judge, jury, and executioner. What are the real limits?
the single mother who defended herself and her young against an intruder, the girl who attends college classes during the day and who walks home from work late at night that shot her would be rapist, the guy behind the counter at a gas station in a known bad part of town at 2 am that otherwise would have been robbed, the 15 year old in Texas who defended his 12 year old sister against two home invaders with his fathers AR15..............
What you're trying to basically do is to use the Constitution as an excuse against any societal rules other than what is written in that document. But that's not how this society works.
Numerous amendments and laws of all kinds have been enacted over time in parallel with the Constitution. We have a Supreme Court that acts as interpreter of laws in relation to the Constitution. You don't have the right to decide you don't like a rule just because you think it conflicts with your interpretation of the Constitution.
Take this as an example: let's say that you run a red light and the cops get behind you and want to pull you over. Does the Constitution give you the right to resist arrest and keep going if you don't feel like you did anything wrong? You may like to think it does, but the reality is that you'd be wrong. You have to stop. You have to submit to questioning and potential ticketing or arrest, depending on the evidence of your transgression. That's not to say that the cop can do anything he wants to you - you have rights, and you have avenues for redress should they be violated. But you can't just decide that you're not going to follow laws and use the Constitution as an excuse.
And for the record, no one is stopping you from legally owning a gun.
Man is not the giver, of another mans rights.
God is the giver of man’s rights, according to the Declaration of Independence, and the right to defend one’s self and one’s family is not only a right, but it is a duty and responsibility before God, according to the Bible which is a demonstration of our love for others.
Therefore, the Second Amendment is not the source of our right. It merely recognizes that the right is to be free from any interference whatsoever to defend ourselves, our families and our communities from attack. This understanding is as old as human history.
There is a reason the first 10 are called the bill of rights and not just the first 10 amendments.
The bill of rights cannot be amended.
The nine folks who get to decide what is, and isn't constitutional say otherwise.
Now you may think they are unconstitutional, but there was a reason why the judiciary isn't directly elected by the people. Founding fathers knew better.
But again, the nine folks who get to decide, decided that gun laws can be constitutional.
The nine folks who get to decide what is, and isn't constitutional say otherwise.
Now you may think they are unconstitutional, but there was a reason why the judiciary isn't directly elected by the people. Founding fathers knew better.
But again, the nine folks who get to decide, decided that gun laws can be constitutional.
May I just add that we the people also have that right through amending the Constitution.
May I just add that we the people also have that right through amending the Constitution.
The bill of rights cannot be amended.
It is not called the first 10 amendments. It is called the bill of rights for a reason.
They keep you ignorant of that, do they.....
Ignorance!
So are you advocating shooting the police if you think they're overstepping their bounds? How exactly would you use your gun to protect yourself from the government? Would it be OK for you to shoot up a federal building, or bomb it to the ground, if you thought you were justified?
McVeigh, angered by the Waco tragedy, decided to enact retribution to those he felt responsible -- the federal government, especially the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF). In downtown Oklahoma City, the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building held numerous federal agency offices, including those of the ATF.
OP, you can resist the FED all you want, but you know who will win the battle, don't you?
I remember King George saying that too, to a bunch of hillbilly uneducated rednecks.
How did that turn out?
McVeigh, gave the ultimate sacrifice, for revenging free people that died in Waco.
Hmmm, you're sounding pretty radical here. You supported the killing of innocent people?
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The Oklahoma blast claimed 168 lives, including 19 children under the age of 6, and injured more than 680 people
Were the people in that federal building not free too?
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