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It is a small percentage of gun dealers that sell guns to unqualified buyers but they exist, maybe around 1-2 %. Mark Kelly's sale took around 6 minutes, how much screening was done, he walked out with one gun and could have easily walked out with an AR-15, not clear what checks were done other than filling out the form but it doesn't appear that much was done other than a drivers license.
You would be amazed with new technology how much information can be found on someone in a short period of time.
Please show me your source for the 1-2% figure you came up with. Looked it up and came up with nothing.
Just like Drivers and fishing poles some dude always got to have the latest and greatest and most expensive...Give me a ol 30 ought 6 and I'll dot some 'I's.
It's leftist blather like this tht make lefties look ignorant....
Keep up the good work!
Its backed up by the public record. In 2011 roughly 16,000 Americans died by gun shot wounds. Of which roughly 6,000 were suicides. 7,000 died were the spouses, children or relatives who died when a dpmestic dispute was solved by a gun. About 1,000 were accidents you know those accidents when trying to service or repair a gun, the hunter who bags another hunter, stray shots in our crowded cities or a simple mistake like when a little one decides to play with daddy's gun. The remainder are the use of guns in crimes less than 200 being the Armed Citizen of NRA myth defending his home or loved ones ( Like the guy who gunned down a high schooler who was drunk or stoned who broke into the wrong house a neighbors home when trying to get into his house).
So mister rightwinger is 16,000 American graves a fair price to pay for the unfettered avaiablity of almost any type og gun? Heck in 11 years we could fill 3 Vietnam War memorials with the names of our honored dead on our so-called safe streets of America.
Its backed up by the public record. In 2011 roughly 16,000 Americans died by gun shot wounds. Of which roughly 6,000 were suicides. 7,000 died were the spouses, children or relatives who died when a dpmestic dispute was solved by a gun. About 1,000 were accidents you know those accidents when trying to service or repair a gun, the hunter who bags another hunter, stray shots in our crowded cities or a simple mistake like when a little one decides to play with daddy's gun. The remainder are the use of guns in crimes less than 200 being the Armed Citizen of NRA myth defending his home or loved ones ( Like the guy who gunned down a high schooler who was drunk or stoned who broke into the wrong house a neighbors home when trying to get into his house).
So mister rightwinger is 16,000 American graves a fair price to pay for the unfettered avaiablity of almost any type og gun? Heck in 11 years we could fill 3 Vietnam War memorials with the names of our honored dead on our so-called safe streets of America.
Your numbers are completely wrong. Some study's show guns are used around 2 million times each year defensively. Of course each one of those doesn't end up with someone being shot. GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense?
not a crime until he actually transfers the gun to a felon
Let me guess - you've never filled out a BATFE form 4473, right?
"Are you the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form?
Warning: You are not the actual buyer if you are acquiring the firearm(s) on behalf of another person. If you are not the actual buyer, the dealer cannot transfer the firearm(s) to you."
If he answers "no" to that question, he can't buy the gun. If he answers "yes" to that question, when he knows that he's going to give it to someone else, then he's committing a crime.
And it has nothing to do with whether or not the person he's purchasing it for is a felon. It's a crime to purchase a gun from a dealer for the purpose of transferring it to someone else. Period. Question 11a on the 4473 says nothing about felons, law enforcement, or anything else.
Never trust the actions of a politition ,especially concerning guns.
Being bent to regulate things rather than to improve the charricter of the people likely because they them selves are deeply devoted to being unrestrained morally.
They can't feature any one else having a stronger moral fibre than them selves.
They don't trust one another ,Finestine carries a gun , and many other congressmen do as well. Why do they need a gun in congress? among such noble people ?
I wouldn't insult the word "stupid" to discribe them, becaused it is not all stupidity,though some law makers don't know which end is the barrel, but I'm sure there's word approperate for it. Even hypocracy seems a bit weak in definition.
Its backed up by the public record. In 2011 roughly 16,000 Americans died by gun shot wounds. Of which roughly 6,000 were suicides. 7,000 died were the spouses, children or relatives who died when a dpmestic dispute was solved by a gun. About 1,000 were accidents you know those accidents when trying to service or repair a gun, the hunter who bags another hunter, stray shots in our crowded cities or a simple mistake like when a little one decides to play with daddy's gun. The remainder are the use of guns in crimes less than 200 being the Armed Citizen of NRA myth defending his home or loved ones ( Like the guy who gunned down a high schooler who was drunk or stoned who broke into the wrong house a neighbors home when trying to get into his house).
I'm not sure where you got your 2011 numbers because even the National Suicide Prevention site only has 2010 as their most current. But according to the CDC, 19,392 used a gun in 2009. That is terrible. On the other hand, if someone is determined to kill themselves then they will use any means necessary. In that same year 9,493 used some sort of suffocation method (probably hanging) and 6,599 using a form of poison (overdose).
Based on your numbers, guns were only used in approximately 2,000 crime related deaths? In 2009, there 459 gun homicides in Chicago alone. That's almost 25% of the crime related deaths for the entire country. Please post a link to your numbers so we can further investigate.
Finally, nothing you listed was an accident. Every scenario listed is negligence. Not checking the chamber before servicing your weapon is negligence. Not clearly identifying your target is negligence. Not determining what is behind your target is negligence. Not securing your gun when untrained individuals are around is negligence.
When part of your gun breaks prematurely (not replacing worn parts is negligence waiting to happen) is the only "acceptable" accident and can easily be determined by field stripping a weapon.
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So mister rightwinger is 16,000 American graves a fair price to pay for the unfettered avaiablity of almost any type og gun? Heck in 11 years we could fill 3 Vietnam War memorials with the names of our honored dead on our so-called safe streets of America.
The suicide numbers will still be there although the methods will change. The crime numbers (both domestic and complete strangers) will be there but the methods will change. The "accidents" will still be there but those will change as well. Living in a free country is dangerous.
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