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Old 03-19-2013, 03:59 PM
 
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(scratching head)

A childless full time minimum wage worker pays over $500 a year in federal income tax, plus over $1000 in payroll taxes, with no tax credits available.
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That isn't true at all. If you are paying taxes, then you will get them all back at the end of the year. Change your withholding status. The person in the lowest quintile (less than $14.5k per year) is actually paid by the government. Are you really complaining about having a negative effective tax rate?
That graph isn't accurate unless it is taking the average and I believe it is. My effective tax rate for all taxes was over 20% and over 14% for income taxes and I am not in the top quintile.
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:01 PM
 
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That graph isn't accurate unless it is taking the average and I believe it is. My effective tax rate for all taxes was over 20% and over 14% for all taxes and I am not in the top quartile.
It is average. I personally have a hard time seeing how anyone that puts a good weekend into tax planning every year can have an effective rate that high. I have never paid more than 10% as an effective rate in my life, and all I do is spend a few days every year researching tax law.
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:05 PM
 
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It is average. I personally have a hard time seeing how anyone that puts a good weekend into tax planning every year can have an effective rate that high. I have never paid more than 10% as an effective rate in my life, and all I do is spend a few days every year researching tax law.
No real deductions.
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Old 03-19-2013, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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What help is there for a childless burger flipper earning minimum wage?

(no food stamps, no TANF, no Medicaid, etc)
No help for the above, although you aren't really going to need it in that situation- here at least. I don't know how that compares to the US

If you have children, then there are generous tax breaks for those who are working, who have children and are lower down the pay scale.
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Old 03-20-2013, 07:17 AM
 
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No real deductions.
It might be worth it to look into starting a side business. You can incorporate an LLC for a few hundred dollars. Turn a hobby that you do around the house into a small business to create day to day deductions.

The wealthy do it, why can't we?
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Old 03-20-2013, 12:49 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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It might be worth it to look into starting a side business. You can incorporate an LLC for a few hundred dollars. Turn a hobby that you do around the house into a small business to create day to day deductions.

The wealthy do it, why can't we?
Not a bad idea, and it can be done. The problem is that when you turn a hobby into a business, it is no longer a hobby. It becomes work. However, if you love your work, you have the best of both worlds.

I hear you can get all the legal documents you need online from places like Form a Limited Liability Company (LLC) in Minutes Online with LegalZoom

Though I don't know how well that works in each state.
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Old 03-20-2013, 11:10 PM
 
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and isn't that the way it should be: the size of home section 8 should be willing to voucher for, should depend on the size of the family.

I agree, I was merely replying to someone else's comment that vouchers can be used to rent huge expensive houses.
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Old 03-20-2013, 11:27 PM
 
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That isn't true at all. If you are paying taxes, then you will get them all back at the end of the year. Change your withholding status. The person in the lowest quintile (less than $14.5k per year) is actually paid by the government. Are you really complaining about having a negative effective tax rate?


SIGH SIGH SIGH

the numbers you cite are skewed by families with children.

Childless adults working full time at minimum wage are net taxpayers:


Income = 7.25 * 2000 hrs = $14,500

Standard deduction 2012 = $5,950

Personal exemption 2012 = $3,800

Taxable income = 14,500 - 5,950 - 3,800 = $4,750

Income tax = $4,750 * .10 = $475

Payroll taxes = $14,500 * .0765 = $1109

EITC = $0

Income tax = $475

(2011 income tax was over $500, bracket indexing dropped his 2012 taxes to $475.)
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Old 03-20-2013, 11:32 PM
 
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^ Let's not forget that sales tax isn't deductible under most circumstances. Neither is the real estate tax that is fixed into a poor person's rent. (Unlike that interest on mortgages that us "well-to-do" folks enjoy.)

Seriously, poor people pay taxes, too.
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Old 03-21-2013, 05:48 AM
 
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^ Let's not forget that sales tax isn't deductible under most circumstances. Neither is the real estate tax that is fixed into a poor person's rent. (Unlike that interest on mortgages that us "well-to-do" folks enjoy.)

Seriously, poor people pay taxes, too.
If you itemize it is.

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