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Old 03-29-2013, 12:25 AM
 
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How ridiculous.
Since it never occurred to me that someone could want to marry their pet, what does that say about your thought processes?
and it never occurred to your ancestors that someone could want to marry a member of the same sex

 
Old 03-29-2013, 12:26 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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I wonder why there is suddenly silence regarding two gay consenting adult brothers or two gay consenting adult sisters marrying each other? What happened to the equality for all argument? All of a sudden, no one wants to talk about this, but when you redefine the very essence of marriage, you open up the flood gates to everything and anything.
Marriage is not being redefined by making marriage access equal for us gay people. All of the rules remain the same, all of the laws remain the same. All that happens is that we gay people are allowed to marry each other. The only change to the marriage certificate is the wording of wife and husband changed to spouse #1 and spouse #2.
 
Old 03-29-2013, 12:26 AM
 
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there are reasons why this is not allowed currently (it has to do with abuse, as well as biological reasons). and there are already limitations on marriage (age of consent for example), by not allowing two brothers from marrying, just falls into one of the many limitations that are already in place for marriage.
why, your bigoted against incest people.
 
Old 03-29-2013, 12:27 AM
 
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and it never occurred to your ancestors that someone could want to marry a member of the same sex
How do you know? Unless you were born 1.4 million years agon, you don't know what our ancestors believed or not believed.
 
Old 03-29-2013, 12:30 AM
 
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The only change to the marriage certificate is the wording of wife and husband changed to spouse #1 and spouse #2.
that is a major change.
 
Old 03-29-2013, 12:30 AM
 
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No one is silent on it because the question hasn't been brought up until now. There's a difference. Now to answer your question, if two homosexual brothers or sisters who are of legal age and sound mind and judgment decide, for whatever reason, they wish to be married, then they ought to be allowed to.

Though your question in and of itself is a logical fallacy as strawman because how many situations like that do you actually think will occur?
Does the number really matter if you are truly arguing for equal rights for all? Even if there's only 1 pair of homosexual brothers who wish to marry, the point is, they could press forward.

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There is equality for all; however, arguments have to be made to ensure this. The same thing happened for women way back when, as it did for blacks way back when, as it did for interracial marriages to occur back in the 1960s. If logical arguments that actually make sense are presented, then we will take the time to hear them, but considering that society as a whole (including heterosexuals and homosexuals) consider pedophilia and incest rather heinous, unAmerican, and disgusting I doubt we'll ever see a SCOTUS case about it.
There have been many arguments made on this thread that people do not care about how others define "normal." Also, many have stated that in their minds, religion and morality should be left out of this conversation. Therefore, it's very hypocritical for those who have asked that religion and morality be left out of the conversation to now state that "as a society... we consider pedophilia and incest rather heinous..."

Based on the fact that 41 states have banned gay marriage, it can be deduced that society overall considers homosexual relationships rather heinous, but this hasn't stopped many gay people from demanding equal rights to marry.

Again, forget about morality and religion, since you are all for dismantling these systems anyway, and focus on your argument of equality and equal protection to marry under the law. If you truly believed this, you would have no problems with argreeing that two consenting adult brothers who wished to marry each other could very well state that their rights are being violated if they are not granted this basic civil right.

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Homosexuals are Americans just like you and I and they deserve to have equal rights and treatment under the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Unless, of course, there's something I missed in the Constitution that says it's legal to deny certain sects of American their natural born civil rights?
If you believe in the constitution, why would you deny two American consenting adult brothers the right marry, because again, surely when morality is taken out of the equation, they deserve the right to marry, if they wish, once marriage is redefined to include gay couples.

Why would you deny this couple their basic civil rights? Is this bigoted behavior?
 
Old 03-29-2013, 12:31 AM
 
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How do you know? Unless you were born 1.4 million years agon, you don't know what our ancestors believed or not believed.
let's go back 3 generations ago.
 
Old 03-29-2013, 12:32 AM
 
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that is a major change.
Not for NY. Gay marriage is legal there. The federal government just doesn't grant them any benefits.
 
Old 03-29-2013, 12:33 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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that is a major change.
How is it major? Spouse #1 can be a man and spouse #2 a woman, or a man and a man or woman and a woman. It makes the designation gender neutral is all. It is still husband and wife, husband and husband and wife and wife. Very very very simple.
 
Old 03-29-2013, 12:35 AM
 
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Marriage is not being redefined by making marriage access equal for us gay people. All of the rules remain the same, all of the laws remain the same. All that happens is that we gay people are allowed to marry each other. The only change to the marriage certificate is the wording of wife and husband changed to spouse #1 and spouse #2.
Ok, so you do agree that two homosexual consenting adult brothers should be allowed to marry if they wish, as well?

I'm hoping that someone who is a proponent of same sex marriage will simply state either yes or no. It's very telling that no one seems willing to answer the question.
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