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Old 03-29-2013, 04:09 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
Not really. Mr. Kelly (if you believe him) lied on the 4473. He indicated that he bought the weapon for himself, and not for others. Lying on a 4473 is a federal felony. If the law worked, he would be prosecuted. As the knowledgable people on this thread have been saying, the feds rarely enforce their own laws.
In this instance he would have had an out. The truth.
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Old 03-29-2013, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Since all of you seem to be ducking this one pertinent fact, despite the fact that I've asked it over & over again...
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Did you ever think the GOV., just does not care?
Explain how the Feds are "ignoring" a law when they bring the case to prosecutors and prosecutors say "You don't have a case."
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Lefty thinking, he was denied, and never took the weapon....the law worked, in this case....
Explain how the Feds are "ignoring" a law when they bring the case to prosecutors and prosecutors say "You don't have a case."
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Then why are you bitching?
Explain how the Feds are "ignoring" a law when they bring the case to prosecutors and prosecutors say "You don't have a case."
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Many gun laws are passed at the federal level, and the feds are resonsible for their enforcement. Yet the responsible agencies choose not to be bothered with doing so. How does passing more of the same laws, with the same enforcement agencies in charge, change anything?
Explain how the Feds are "ignoring" a law when they bring the case to prosecutors and prosecutors say "You don't have a case."
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Second, since these are federal laws, how do states get away with "enforcing" them? Why haven't states that do so been sued by the feds? This is no different than immigration law. Either it's a federal issue or it isn't. Can the various states get away with passing immigration laws that are stricter than federal law?
Explain how the Feds are "ignoring" a law when they bring the case to prosecutors and prosecutors say "You don't have a case."
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I said that if people are not being prosecuted it's only because those in charge of enforcing the laws are not.



I would be happy as soon as you provide verification and history concerning what you are talking about.



So where is the problem?
Explain how the Feds are "ignoring" a law when they bring the case to prosecutors and prosecutors say "You don't have a case."
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
Not really. Mr. Kelly (if you believe him) lied on the 4473. He indicated that he bought the weapon for himself, and not for others. Lying on a 4473 is a federal felony. If the law worked, he would be prosecuted. As the knowledgable people on this thread have been saying, the feds rarely enforce their own laws.
Explain how the Feds are "ignoring" a law when they bring the case to prosecutors and prosecutors say "You don't have a case."
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Old 03-29-2013, 04:23 PM
 
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Since all of you seem to be ducking this one pertinent fact, despite the fact that I've asked it over & over again...

Explain how the Feds are "ignoring" a law when they bring the case to prosecutors and prosecutors say "You don't have a case."

Explain how the Feds are "ignoring" a law when they bring the case to prosecutors and prosecutors say "You don't have a case."

Explain how the Feds are "ignoring" a law when they bring the case to prosecutors and prosecutors say "You don't have a case."

Explain how the Feds are "ignoring" a law when they bring the case to prosecutors and prosecutors say "You don't have a case."

Explain how the Feds are "ignoring" a law when they bring the case to prosecutors and prosecutors say "You don't have a case."

Explain how the Feds are "ignoring" a law when they bring the case to prosecutors and prosecutors say "You don't have a case."

Explain how the Feds are "ignoring" a law when they bring the case to prosecutors and prosecutors say "You don't have a case."
Looks like someone finally learned how to copy and paste.

If only 6% of those who were denied based on the background check were investigated per the Feds here in this memo bellow. Then is the other 94% who were also denied but not investigated should they then legally be able to purchase a gun? Why were the 94% not investigated?
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/grants/239272.pdf
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Old 03-29-2013, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Looks like someone finally learned how to copy and paste.

If only 6% of those who were denied based on the background check were investigated per the Feds here in this memo bellow. Then is the other 94% who were also denied but not investigated should they then legally be able to purchase a gun? Why were the 94% not investigated?
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/grants/239272.pdf
Answer the question. You've ducked it multiple times in this thread.
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Old 03-29-2013, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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It's pretty naive to think that a guy like this could not have gotten his hands on a gun if we had just cracked down on straw purchases. Nonetheless, it's a step forward from the NYT belief that this murder was a reaction to the gun ban legislation passed in CO.
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Old 03-29-2013, 05:01 PM
 
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Answer the question. You've ducked it multiple times in this thread.
What question is that?
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Old 03-29-2013, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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What question is that?
Hmmm... when asked to deal w/ facts and address things beyond talking points, the CD Conservative's brain suddenly turns to mush.
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Old 03-29-2013, 05:23 PM
 
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Hmmm... when asked to deal w/ facts and address things beyond talking points, the CD Conservative's brain suddenly turns to mush.
Don't really see a question in that post.
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Old 03-29-2013, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Don't really see a question in that post.
Oh I see what you did. B/c there's not a question mark in {Explain how the Feds are "ignoring" a law when they bring the case to prosecutors and prosecutors say "You don't have a case."}, technically it's not a question. How clever.

Here: Are you ever going to man up and explain how the Feds are "ignoring" a law when they bring the case to prosecutors and prosecutors say "You don't have a case"?
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Old 03-29-2013, 05:45 PM
 
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Answer the question. You've ducked it multiple times in this thread.
One has no obligation to answer a simply made up scenario.
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