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Old 04-04-2013, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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This is what happens when you have people who have no understanding of guns or their function start writting gun control laws. This law is so flawed a blind person could shoot holes in it. It will be side stepped and ignored by and large and you haven't changed a thing... But it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy and makes you think to yourself, "Gee Look what I did!! I'm so proud of myself". Nothing was changed.
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Old 04-04-2013, 03:48 PM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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"That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and their own state, or the United States, or for the purpose of killing game; and no law shall be passed for disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed, or real danger of public injury from individuals; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up: and that the military shall be kept under strict subordination to and be governed by the civil powers."""-- James Madison

the 2nd amendment is very specific...the RIGHT of the PEOPLE shall not be INFRINGED



""The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.""" James Madison, father of the constitution


the 2nd amendment is very specific...the RIGHT of the PEOPLE shall not be INFRINGED


yes there ARE EXCEPTIONS:
yes if convicted of a crime you would lose that right..just like a felon loses the right to vote

yes if you are COMMITTED to an institution because you are a danger to society you would lose that right....as the gun man in CT SHOULD have been...but because liberals say that institutions are 'in-humane', we have a major problem of people with mental illness walking right next to us


""" the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed""""

keep= own
bear= carry

the right of the PEOPLE to own and carry arms shall not be infringed

the point is that you could BAN all guns COMPLETELY, and it wont stop something like this

it wont stop criminals and gangs from having guns...especially the ALREADY SEVERELY REGULATED assault FULL automatic gins like an UZI

thinks about this

Cocaine is COMPLETELY ILLEGAL.....competely BANNED.......even in the smallest amounts....yet we have a severe cocaine dealing problem

every year our agencies SIEZE over 150,000 KILOGRAMS of cocaine a year...and that is only about 1% of what is smuggled into the USA yearly.

1.5 million United States residents use cocaine at least once per month -a number that has remained relatively unchanged over the past decade, even though it is completely illegal, and their is a so-called "war on drugs"

New York and Delaware were the two states with the highest percentage of cocaine treatment admissions to hospitals and rehab facilities. For New York, that number was 212 admissions per 100,000 residents aged 12 or older.


banning guns will do NOTHING to prevent what happened..it will only BOLDEN the gangs and crooks because they will be the ones with the guns

BANNING GUNS gets more COPS and innocent civilians KILLED









lenin said this...."A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the people"

"Gun registration is not enough. Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal." Janet Reno

"This year will go down in history. For the first time,
a civilised nation has full gun registration!
Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient,
and the world will follow our lead into the future!" Adolf Hitler


we all understand the liberal (progressive fascist) point

take the guns away from the people so the government isnt affraid of the people revolting



we do understand you fascist liberals and your hatred of law abiding citizens

You need new talking points. Sane people stopped listening to this drivel ages ago.
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Old 04-04-2013, 03:49 PM
 
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You want to wreck a legal industry and put people out of work.
That's capitalism ... if the demand dries up, so do the jobs.

Usually you righties LOVE that kind of thing.
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Old 04-04-2013, 03:51 PM
 
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Your really missing the point.

You cannot allow one person to own X amount of guns while another person can only own Y, that is what you were proposing and that would be direct violation of the 14th amendment.
And you're deliberately ignoring the point.

No one is proposing to allow people to own different numbers of guns. Right now, costs limit some people from owning guns. You know, right ... now. Cost always will. C'mon, you righties adore Holy Capitalism and you're constantly bleating about how the poor don't deserve expensive things because they're poor and leeching off society. So, no guns for them! You know, right now. Nothing I've said would change that.

Nice try, though. I give you points for creativity.
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Old 04-04-2013, 03:52 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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That's capitalism ... if the demand dries up, so do the jobs.

Usually you righties LOVE that kind of thing.
It's not demand drying up when it is mandated by the government.

I don't know where you get this stuff.
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Old 04-04-2013, 03:58 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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And you're deliberately ignoring the point.

No one is proposing to allow people to own different numbers of guns.

Your rightwing wet-dream Sacred Free Market and Holy Capitalism might drive ownership, but not the government. Nice try, though. I give you points for creativity.
How quickly we forget.

I asked you this
Do you want restrict the quantity of guns owned by an individual?
You answered this
Yes and no confiscation but gun buyback programs for a start. Voluntarily reducing guns.

So I own 10 guns but you propose I can only own 1 but your not going to confiscate any of them, just hope I give them to you. But if someone owns 0 guns and wants 10 guns like I have, that would be illegal. You see, different rules for different people.

This all starts at post 302
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Old 04-04-2013, 03:59 PM
 
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It's not demand drying up when it is mandated by the government.

I don't know where you get this stuff.
No one's mandating that these manufacturers can't make something else. Or that they just do more of what they do now: make more expensive guns that are still legal with fancier crap on them so you fetishists start drooling and have to buy 'em. Or that they can't ship more guns to other countries with no gun laws.

Holy Capitalism. That's how it works. Try it sometime.
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Old 04-04-2013, 04:03 PM
 
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So I own 10 guns but you propose I can only own 1 but your not going to confiscate any of them, just hope I give them to you. But if someone owns 0 guns and wants 10 guns like I have, that would be illegal. You see, different rules for different people.

This all starts at post 302
So you're proposing that somebody give every citizen enough guns to make everything equal?

Or maybe you really mean that we should remove every single last manufacturing and transportation regulation that gun manufacturers have to abide by like every other company in the US, so that guns could be cheap enough even for the worst leeches on society.



I suppose you can argue this point before the Supreme Court, as I'm sure you're legally qualified. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Old 04-04-2013, 04:08 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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So you're proposing that somebody give every citizen enough guns to make everything equal?

Or maybe you really mean that we should remove every single last manufacturing and transportation regulation that gun manufacturers have to abide by like every other company in the US, so that guns could be cheap enough even for the worst leeches on society.



I suppose you can argue this point before the Supreme Court, as I'm sure you're legally qualified. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
Wtf, when did I ever propose everyone be given guns. Everyone is allowed to own the same amount of guns currently, your the one who wants to restrict the amount of guns people own. Actually read your own posts.

I have never once said the current regulation process for manufacturing arms needs to be reduced.

You don't get to just make stuff up over and over again.
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Old 04-04-2013, 04:11 PM
 
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blunt weapons killed more people in 2011 than rifle and shotguns combined....

Then you should get a blunt weapon. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
So, why are you trying to ban shotguns and rifles if blunt weapons have killed more people?

Obviously you have reading comprehension problem, or just not willing to answer a question honestly...

Can you show me a single post (that is not sarcasm) that says a blunt object is more deadly than a rifle or shotgun? Tic-Toc....
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