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Old 04-08-2013, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The government deficit is driven by the fact that the really rich would rather loan their money to the government than pay their share of taxes. They (top 5%) effectively own the country but get the rest of us to pay for maintaining it as well as their very profitable, for them, foreign wars.

This is the way class warfare works. The uppers win and we pay them for their victory.
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Old 04-08-2013, 06:41 AM
 
Location: In a cave
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Is it the Liberals?
Is it the Conservatives?
Is it the sick, disabled and the elderly?
Is it the out of work people on welfare?
Is it the people who take advantage of money meant for the out of work, sick, disabled, and elderly?
Is it the people that cut jobs and put the people out of work?
Is it the people that supported the recent wars?
Is it the people with ill intentions that abuse the government?
Is it the corporations and their stockholders that buy the politicians?
Is it the politicians?
Is it the voters for the politicians?
Is it the minority?
Is it the majority?
Is it the banks who convinced the congress and president to give them the bailout?
Is it the people who took advantage of the tax cuts?
Is it the people who made the tax cuts?
Is it the soldiers who went to fight the wars?
Is it the ignorant voters?

If you had to split up the debt and make people accountable, what group of people should be personally responsible for paying off the debt?
Both parties are too blame, Bush & Obama are both miserable failures and anyone who has voted for BO for the last two election cycles has the most recent blood on their hands.
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Old 04-08-2013, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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Running out to the internet and grabbing a graph that suits an immediate need does not make one credible.
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Old 04-08-2013, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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"Our" government is a failure because it is not OUR government. It is a government by the rich, for the rich and of the rich. Most of us simply do not count and can be and are ignored.
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Old 04-08-2013, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by TheHurricaneKid View Post
Is it the Liberals?
Is it the Conservatives?
Is it the sick, disabled and the elderly?
Is it the out of work people on welfare?
Is it the people who take advantage of money meant for the out of work, sick, disabled, and elderly?
Is it the people that cut jobs and put the people out of work?
Is it the people that supported the recent wars?
Is it the people with ill intentions that abuse the government?
Is it the corporations and their stockholders that buy the politicians?
Is it the politicians?
Is it the voters for the politicians?
Is it the minority?
Is it the majority?
Is it the banks who convinced the congress and president to give them the bailout?
Is it the people who took advantage of the tax cuts?
Is it the people who made the tax cuts?
Is it the soldiers who went to fight the wars?
Is it the ignorant voters?

If you had to split up the debt and make people accountable, what group of people should be personally responsible for paying off the debt?
Considering Medicare and assorted programs are the biggest drains on the budget it would appear the Dems are responsible.
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Old 04-08-2013, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The housing crisis . Also the illegal immigrants taking jobs from Americans. Sending billions of dollars that illegals send out of the country doesn't help our economy. Shadow banking. Bad legislation in giving home loans to anyone who could sign the dotted line regardless if they were unemployed or poor.

Flippers who built homes and couldn't sell them. And many came from poor countries to get on that deal.

Bernanke , Greenspan for letting it on for so long.. Greenspan screaming about the housing bubble was not enough. We are in for an economic collapse and Obama is making it worse with pushing Obamacare on businesses.

We needed a job creation president to get us out of this mess if possible. At this point the American people spoke putting lame Obama in again.. This will solve nothing. It will get worse. DEPRESSION HERE WE COME. Oh yes, the big banks are defunct. Our government is covering for them as they print more borrowed money to prop them up each month as the foreclosures continue.
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Considering Medicare and assorted programs are the biggest drains on the budget it would appear the Dems are responsible.
If the measure of success is the lowest expenditures, then "success" is going back to the government of Calvin Coolidge that had no social programs.

However, if we expect government to improve people's lives, spending on Medicare, which provides health insurance to millions of Americans who wouldn't be able to get it on their own, is good public policy and worthy spending. I don't want America to return to the pre-New Deal/Great Society America, where if you lost your job you were out on your own; seniors starved and had no access to doctors (unless they were rich), and poor children went hungry.
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:09 AM
 
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
4,301 posts, read 4,417,085 times
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Originally Posted by TheHurricaneKid View Post
Is it the Liberals?
Is it the Conservatives?
Is it the sick, disabled and the elderly?
Is it the out of work people on welfare?
Is it the people who take advantage of money meant for the out of work, sick, disabled, and elderly?
Is it the people that cut jobs and put the people out of work?
Is it the people that supported the recent wars?
Is it the people with ill intentions that abuse the government?
Is it the corporations and their stockholders that buy the politicians?
Is it the politicians?
Is it the voters for the politicians?
Is it the minority?
Is it the majority?
Is it the banks who convinced the congress and president to give them the bailout?
Is it the people who took advantage of the tax cuts?
Is it the people who made the tax cuts?
Is it the soldiers who went to fight the wars?
Is it the ignorant voters?

If you had to split up the debt and make people accountable, what group of people should be personally responsible for paying off the debt?
Which groups? Easy - Republicans AND Democrats. Both parties have betrayed & bankrupt the American people.
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Originally Posted by Taratova View Post
The housing crisis . Also the illegal immigrants taking jobs from Americans. Sending billions of dollars that illegals send out of the country doesn't help our economy. Shadow banking. Bad legislation in giving home loans to anyone who could sign the dotted line regardless if they were unemployed or poor.

Flippers who built homes and couldn't sell them. And many came from poor countries to get on that deal.

Bernanke , Greenspan for letting it on for so long.. Greenspan screaming about the housing bubble was not enough. We are in for an economic collapse and Obama is making it worse with pushing Obamacare on businesses.

We needed a job creation president to get us out of this mess if possible. At this point the American people spoke putting lame Obama in again.. This will solve nothing. It will get worse. DEPRESSION HERE WE COME. Oh yes, the big banks are defunct. Our government is covering for them as they print more borrowed money to prop them up each month as the foreclosures continue.
Greenspan, a disciple of Ayn Rand, said "While local economies may experience significant speculative price imbalances, a national severe price distortion seems most unlikely."

In 2001 Greenspan, supported the Bush tax cuts, urging Congress to reduce the federal government's revenue so that it wouldn't pay off its debt too quickly. As we know, federal debt has soared after that.

Greenspan has been wrong on everything.
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:12 AM
 
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If the measure of success is the lowest expenditures, then "success" is going back to the government of Calvin Coolidge that had no social programs.

However, if we expect government to improve people's lives, spending on Medicare, which provides health insurance to millions of Americans who wouldn't be able to get it on their own, is good public policy and worthy spending. I don't want America to return to the pre-New Deal/Great Society America, where if you lost your job you were out on your own; seniors starved and had no access to doctors (unless they were rich), and poor children went hungry.
Is that whats taking place? Government is making improvements by peoples lives by pushing them into poverty?

The Poverty President | Poverty Rate | Fox Nation

Thats some weird definition of improvement that I'm glad we dont share.

Even more weird is that you'd pick Coolidge out as an example of failure, even though he managed to cut the debt, cut the tax rates, and still managed to balance the buget, something that you continue to claim doesnt happen..

Even more ironic is you think cutting federal spending collapses the economy, but have you never heard of the roaring 20's?
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