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Old 04-11-2013, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Bettles Field, AK
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It really is sad. At this point personally its infuriating.


People are too stupid to see what's going on and obviously too stupid to even know who to fight for.
And judging by many of the responses in this thread, it's very frightening as well. If a collapse happens here, it's going to be very heartbreaking mainly because of the "rose-colored glasses" mentality most Americans possesses.

In fact, I don't think that the mainstream American wish to fight for any real reform, especially when it comes to the hijacked two-party system and the Federal Reserve, which is recklessly destroying the economy through money printing and borrowing.
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Old 04-11-2013, 11:29 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Let me drop you off in some of our poor neighborhoods that have it so good.

How good can you have it if you have to fear for your life everyday?
I am no stranger to urban poverty.

One's chances of survival in the worst U.S. ghetto are substantially greater than surviving the genocide, disease and starvation occurring in many third world nations.
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Old 04-11-2013, 11:34 PM
 
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And judging by many of the responses in this thread, it's very frightening as well. If a collapse happens here, it's going to be very heartbreaking mainly because of the "rose-colored glasses" mentality most Americans possesses.

In fact, I don't think that the mainstream American wish to fight for any real reform, especially when it comes to the hijacked two-party system and the Federal Reserve, which is recklessly destroying the economy through money printing and borrowing.
A collapse here would be far worse because our "poor" are much more helpless and also more accustomed to having much than the poor of the third world. The day the food stamps don't arrive on time, or the day the cable for the television is cut off will create havoc. Not like the third world where the poor don't dine on steak and lobster but are used to having little to eat, our poor are used to having every luxury.

In the third world, the poor aren't completely dependent on the government, here they are. New Orleans in Katrina showed how very utterly government dependent the "poor" in the USA can be.

The other problem for our poor is the high drug dependence here. In third world countries, people can't afford expensive street drugs, but here the day the cocaine shipment is disrupted there will be riots and looting.
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Old 04-11-2013, 11:53 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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A collapse here would be far worse because our "poor" are much more helpless and also more accustomed to having much than the poor of the third world. The day the food stamps don't arrive on time, or the day the cable for the television is cut off will create havoc. Not like the third world where the poor don't dine on steak and lobster but are used to having little to eat, our poor are used to having every luxury.

The other problem for our poor is the high drug dependence here. In third world countries, people can't afford expensive street drugs, but here the day the cocaine shipment is disrupted there will be riots and looting.
SNAP benefits are approximately $1.50 per person, per meal. The masses of welfare recipients are not dining on steak and lobster.

Afghanistan is a third world country and has the highest heroin addiction rate of all.

Prescription pain pill addiction is an epidemic in the U.S. and most of the addicts are not isolated in the ghetto or on welfare. No doubt though that addiction has the power to destroy families and make women and children dependent on the state.
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Old 04-11-2013, 11:57 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Dang we need to start giving out free trips to Haiti and Somalia to all these so called "third world country" experts.
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Old 04-12-2013, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Bettles Field, AK
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A collapse here would be far worse because our "poor" are much more helpless and also more accustomed to having much than the poor of the third world. The day the food stamps don't arrive on time, or the day the cable for the television is cut off will create havoc. Not like the third world where the poor don't dine on steak and lobster but are used to having little to eat, our poor are used to having every luxury.

In the third world, the poor aren't completely dependent on the government, here they are. New Orleans in Katrina showed how very utterly government dependent the "poor" in the USA can be.

The other problem for our poor is the high drug dependence here. In third world countries, people can't afford expensive street drugs, but here the day the cocaine shipment is disrupted there will be riots and looting.
Excellent point. This country is playing Russian Roulette, in my opinion. The number of people on food stamps and other government aid are at all-time highs and more people are leaving the labor force due to frustration of not finding work.

I remember reading a scenario story online a year ago about when EBT and ATM cards cease to function and the widespread violence which accompanied it. Very sobering, indeed.

The sad thing is that, as you mentioned, the U.S. Is living in a propped-up economy.
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:10 AM
 
Location: "Daytonnati"
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We are probably going to be more like Argentina, Uruguay, and Chile.

A good model of a country dropping from '1st world' to '2nd world' due to economic problems are Argentina and Uruguay, so I think they are maybe what we can expect (given some obvious differences, but concpetually, yes, in terms of a general lower standard of lving).
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Go to your worst neighborhoods that are neglected and impoverished. America has turned a blind eye to the fact that third world conditions have existed in cancerous pockets of the nation for decades.
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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America will never be a third world country and you know it; even when the USSR dissolved, Russia retained its status as a second world country just as China will continue being second world even when their GDP outpaces ours. Now if you're looking at the statistics, were behind in the first world because we fail to invest in the proper things plus we have too many people who contribute negatively to our society and we're driven by bureaucracy that is making us appear to be a second world country but we're not. We still probably possess more than half of the worlds net-worth, we lead in patents, and technological advancements, and whatever else makes us first world. Now here comes the problem, a lot of the things that we lead in aren't really what are citizens have contributed, we hand out a certain visa that which name slips my mind that essentially allows for people from second and third world countries whom are intelligent to come here and create the technologies, medicines, etc. that keep us at the top of the game.
The visa would be the H1-B visa. Funny you should mention that. I just read where start up companies in technology, as well as established companies, (monstly in Silicone Valley) want to raise the visa quota to 300,000 a year, from the current 65,000 a year, which have already been filled.

The claim is: we just don't have enough Americas who are educated/skilled/knowledgeable to fill those positions. Or would it be that we do, but these companies just don't want to pay them a decent salary because people who get these visas will work for less just to stay in the US for 6 years?

When the field of technology started to grow in leaps and bounds and we knew it was here to stay, would be ever-growing and become such a big part of our lives, did this country really miss the mark on this and that's the reason why we don't have enough supply to meet the demand? That the need in the future would be for people in the technology field and science and math escape us?

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Old 04-12-2013, 11:20 AM
 
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I'm reminded of all the hysterical RWNJs who were predicting in 2002-03 that Europe would be living under sharia law in 5-10 years because scary brown people.
You are right! Seems that it is always the right wingies that are always with their panties in a wad. Being so hateful and resentful is a very good insight to some and their view of life.
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