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Old 04-15-2013, 08:31 PM
 
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We´ll be fine when the baby boomers die off. These pundits on TV are part of the problem... they are baby boomers as well.

To say it simply, that generation has run the country into the ground. They simply never worked hard. Working hard is making products that compete in the world marketplace. Something the US used to do well, very well. They consider working hard, working 50 hours in a desk, instead of 40 both of course with no real result. Silicon Valley is the only part of the country really continually innovating, its not good enough for all of us.

The younger generations have a better idea of what it is to work. I know the ex-hippie turned born again christian contingent is in denial here, but todays sub 35 population does have a better work ethic by large. Youth had it much harder by the late 70´s and 80´s.

 
Old 04-15-2013, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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and with all the deductions now no one pays the top rate of 38%.
1. I'm glad you accept the fact that practically no one was paying 90% in taxes in the 1950s.

2. There are few less deductions allowed today. I know a small business owner who said that last year, he had to pay a large amount in taxes because he could no longer claim deductions.
 
Old 04-15-2013, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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But we're talking about the 1950's. It was a HELLISH decade for black folks. Sure, a tiny bit of civil rights awareness began to emerge..but nothing that changed the fortunes of black folks at the time.
It wasn't as bad as the anti-'50s people claim it was.

Chances were that that black kids had a mother and father to go home to. And that kids were not on drugs, did not bring an unauthorized gun to school or, for the girls, not having illegitimate children.
 
Old 04-15-2013, 11:05 PM
 
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It wasn't as bad as the anti-'50s people claim it was.

Chances were that that black kids had a mother and father to go home to. And that kids were not on drugs, did not bring an unauthorized gun to school or, for the girls, not having illegitimate children.
The hell it wasn't. If you were living it, it was WORSE than what people describe.

And having a nuclear family certainly provided a certain amount of comfort from the harshness of Jim Crow, but not much. Those same children saw their parents humiliated and denied the right to basic human decency by their fellow American citizens.

BTW...telling the truth about the lily-white 50's isn't being anti-50's. It's telling the truth. You should have no problem with that since you wingers hate political correctness so much. Be consistent.
 
Old 04-15-2013, 11:19 PM
 
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Nothing truthful about it...just because someone says the 50's were better you assume racist stuff.
So yes you are a racist...I feel bad for you.
LMAO....one is a racist for speaking the truth?

Was racism institutionalized and was Jim Crow an existential problem for millions of blacks at the time?

If your answer is NO, then Lucario isn't the guy with a truth problem....you are.
 
Old 04-15-2013, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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In terms of society's mores, the 1950's were not perfect, but a lot better than today. Woman did not have access to as many careers, but most fulfilled their motherly vocation by staying home with their children, which in turn made most neighborhoods a better environment for children with more eyes on the street. Such things as homosexual acts, sex before marriage, pornography, etc. obviously existed, but were rejected by most of society. A society that has the truth, even though hypocritically, is much better than a society which openly promotes falsehood. Some societal structures in the 1950s were unfairly biased against certain minority groups, but the average American probably lived out more virtue, or found it easier to live a virtuous life, in the 1950s than today.
 
Old 04-16-2013, 01:15 AM
 
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It is true that white males had stronger privilege in the 1950s than today. But that doesn't mean that all white males wish that they could oppress women and minorities. I'd much rather live in a society where respect is based on who we are.

I'm way too young to even have thought of life in the 1950s, but there were probably positive and negative aspects of it, just like in any time.
Whites 'had more privilege' because whites made up 90% of the population in 1950. Most people had to drive pretty far South to even be in a physical position to be racist to someone.

Do ethnically Japanese males have "Japanese privilege" because they don't suffer the discrimination that ethnic Koreans in Japan do?
 
Old 04-16-2013, 03:31 AM
 
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Whites 'had more privilege' because whites made up 90% of the population in 1950. Most people had to drive pretty far South to even be in a physical position to be racist to someone.

Do ethnically Japanese males have "Japanese privilege" because they don't suffer the discrimination that ethnic Koreans in Japan do?
Actually, racism was all over the nation. It was in Chicago, Detroit, and New York, as well as in Georgia, Mississippi, and Florida.

Suffering discrimination means you won't have privilege.
 
Old 04-16-2013, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Center of the universe
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Whites 'had more privilege' because whites made up 90% of the population in 1950. Most people had to drive pretty far South to even be in a physical position to be racist to someone.

Do ethnically Japanese males have "Japanese privilege" because they don't suffer the discrimination that ethnic Koreans in Japan do?
The "South" was everywhere in America during that decade (and prior to and since). Racism was not just a Southern phenomenon, though since it was codified into the legal system in those states (and in some Northern ones), life was hellish for all who were discriminated against.

Japanese males are the only ones in Japan with full citizenship privileges. Women, ethnic minorities and low-caste Japanese (burakumin) also are shut out of most of society's benefits.
 
Old 04-16-2013, 09:12 AM
 
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The "South" was everywhere in America during that decade (and prior to and since). Racism was not just a Southern phenomenon, though since it was codified into the legal system in those states (and in some Northern ones), life was hellish for all who were discriminated against.

Japanese males are the only ones in Japan with full citizenship privileges. Women, ethnic minorities and low-caste Japanese (burakumin) also are shut out of most of society's benefits.
The 50s was not a good time for Blacks in general, north or south.

I knew that ethnic minorities in Japan were discriminated against. I didn't know women didn't have full citizenship privileges. I know that the burakumin are often regarded poorly, even if they are of the same ethnicity as ethnic Japanese.
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