Another case of "self regulation" gone amuck..the texas fertilizer company (enemy, companies)

[HappyTexan]

Another case of self-regulation gone amuck.
When will our government learn NOT to trust companies and to adequately fund their rules and stop relying on this self-reporting and self-regulation ?

In this case the DHS is the regulator because it's fertilizer. But it was up to the company to notify DHS.
DHS assumes if a company doesn't notify then they don't need to be regulated by them.

Haven't we learned our lesson yet about "self regulation" ?

FWIW I am in the other thread defending the request for disaster aid because that is for the community, the people to help get their lives back to normal a little quicker.

But this company deserves to be shut down for good over what they did..they had over 1000 times what they were supposed to have at that plant. If they played by the rules that accident would not have cause the sheer amount of damage that it did.

The owners aren't talking to the press either.

Texas fertilizer company didn't heed disclosure rules before blast
The fertilizer plant that exploded on Wednesday, obliterating part of a small Texas town and killing at least 14 people, had last year been storing 1,350 times the amount of ammonium nitrate that would normally trigger safety oversight by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS).
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Firms are responsible for self reporting the volumes of ammonium nitrate and other volatile chemicals they hold to the DHS, which then helps measure plant risks and devise security and safety plans based on them.


Since the agency never received any so-called top-screen report from West Fertilizer, the facility was not regulated or monitored by the DHS under its CFAT standards, largely designed to prevent sabotage of sites and to keep chemicals from falling into criminal hands.

[trlhiker]

This is what republicans want. They want business's to regulate themselves and this is what you get when they do.

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by trlhiker

This is what republicans want. They want business's to regulate themselves and this is what you get when they do.

It might be what Republicans want but it's actually what Dems are DOING TODAY.

Our government makes rules they cannot execute.
That rule got created with the self-regulate, self-report crap in it.

The Repubs are not in charge and have not been for 4.5 years now.

[Chimuelojones]

"This facility was known to have chemicals well above the threshold amount to be regulated under the Chemical Facility Anti-Terrorism Standards Act (CFATS), yet we understand that DHS did not even know the plant existed until it blew up."

that's a crying shame. The finger-pointing and "throwing under the bus" will happen, but not much else.

[crbcrbrgv]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

It might be what Republicans want but it's actually what Dems are DOING TODAY.

Our government makes rules they cannot execute.
That rule got created with the self-regulate, self-report crap in it.

The Repubs are not in charge and have not been for 4.5 years now.

That's a cop out and you know it. The Repubs have been in charge FOREVER in Texas and it all starts at home.

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by Chimuelojones

that's a crying shame. The finger-pointing and "throwing under the bus" will happen, but not much else.

Yes it is. I had no idea that self-regulate, self-report is being used by DHS no less.

How do you protect "the homeland" when you sit there waiting for people to "self-report".
And especially this type of fertilizer of all things.

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by crbcrbrgv

That's a cop out and you know it. The Repubs have been in charge FOREVER in Texas and it all starts at home.

The self-report is the way DHS is operating.
Has nothing to do with Repubs in Texas.

That means every fertilizer plant in the US "self-reports" to the DHS and if they don't then the DHS never goes near them.

But what were Americans told ?

[Oleg Bach]

You have to have over sight and regulations over the air line industry...because flying has a relentless enemy called gravity. If you have large amounts of what can be explosive material - it makes sense that there be strict governmental controls and self regulation should not occur. Imagine if there was no regulation in the air line industry...."Hey what the heck - that engine does not really need an overhaul...lets see if we can get a few more flights out of it...time is money" That would eventually lead to more fatalities.

[texdav]

It was pointed out that the plant was regulated and inspected. Regualtion in anyhtig onlt works thru self reguation and of not it fails such as laws being regul;ation. Impoosible to regulated everythign by inspections really.Its similar to a inspection after a house fire most will show reguation vioplations in some repaect and even regujations that did little good to stop the problem of regualtion of human not taking safety seroiusly.

[butkus51]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

Another case of self-regulation gone amuck.
When will our government learn NOT to trust companies and to adequately fund their rules and stop relying on this self-reporting and self-regulation ?

Oh please. Do we have a USDA? Do people get food poisoning? And you do realize that there was a time prior to 911 when air marshals were regulated by the govt. But as time went on, the GOVT wanted the private sector, airline industry, to 'regulate themselves' in that regard.