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I indicated besides 2nd amendment issues, their oppresive form of government that lacks a right to bear arms works very well, no one is coming into their homes to take over, they don't have an irrational fear of their government. They have the same freedom that we do just no guns.
They may have those rights, but the important difference is, they only have them because the government permits them to. Regardless of how anyone feels about it, the founding fathers gave us here in America the ability to protect and defend our rights with the second amendment. That was the intent of the second amendment. Let us not dwell on the semantics of standing on a hill with our P shooters and trying to fight off a government, that isn't the point, and many would think it a ridiculous notion for the modern day age.
Australia's government rules over it's people and the Founding Fathers didn't want that system here, they wanted a system where the People ruled over their government, and the second amendment was put in place to safeguard that.
Criminals get guns from gun shows, I don't think relying on off duty police officers and ex military is going to change anything, they are not there for oversight. Criminals can get just about any gun they want in a private sale, I don't think a specific model matters much. ATF can only inspect FFL's every 5 years, you think they have staff to inspect around 5000 gun shows a year?
If your claims (which are all or mostly conjecture, btw) are true, how do you explain that several studies have found criminals obtaining guns from gun shows runs in the 1-3 percent range? Why aren't these studies coming up with much higher numbers? The Facts about Gun Shows | Cato Institute
If the BATF is so woefully understaffed, where did they find the time for 'Fast and Furious?' To this day, they are unable to explain just what the objective of F&F was. What kind of agency launches an op with no rational objective when they are understaffed, and important work is steadily piling up in the in box?
All of those listed in our Bill of Rights, for starters. The Australian Constitution does not recognize any individual rights. However, that does not mean Australia does not recognize some individual rights. Those rights listed in treaties signed by the Queen and pertaining to the commonwealth of the UK includes Australia. Nevertheless, there is nothing in the Australian Constitution that acknowledges any individual rights. Furthermore, there is nothing outside the scope of power of the Australian Parliament. They literally have unlimited authority to do anything they please.
Individual rights are not an issue in Austrailia, their government is quite similar to ours, they do have several rights such as right to trial but not to the extent spelled out in our bill of rights.
There is a section in their constitution that prohibits states from raising a military force, interesting.
If your claims (which are all or mostly conjecture, btw) are true, how do you explain that several studies have found criminals obtaining guns from gun shows runs in the 1-3 percent range? Why aren't these studies coming up with much higher numbers? The Facts about Gun Shows | Cato Institute
If the BATF is so woefully understaffed, where did they find the time for 'Fast and Furious?' To this day, they are unable to explain just what the objective of F&F was. What kind of agency launches an op with no rational objective when they are understaffed, and important work is steadily piling up in the in box?
I am not going to argue percentages, the point is tha sales without background checks pass through gun shows, NY state recently reached a voluntary agreement with most of the gun show operators that they would insure background checks for every weapon leaving the premises, do you take issue?
The F&F is one operation that was a screw up , one thing it did prove was that guns purchased here ended up with drug cartels, the constant droning about F&F is silly, there is no question that the ATF is understaffed, some congressmen want them to remain powerless.
I am not going to argue percentages, the point is tha sales without background checks pass through gun shows,.
What do you mean you are not going to argue percentages? You think they are not important to the argument? They are essential to the argument, because if the number of guns bought at gun shows by criminals is extremely low, then there is no way that I'd support more stringent laws at gun shows.
Just like I'm sure percentages and numbers don't mean anything to you when we are talking about "assault weapon" bans either do they? Did you know, that out of the nearly 11,000 gun related homicides that occur annually each year in this country, only about 300 of those are committed with any kind of rifle, let alone "assault rifles" But since you don't care about numbers, it doesn't matter that the overwhelming majority of gun deaths happen with other guns, you would still be fine with them banning "assault rifles"....
To say percentages aren't important or they aren't relevant is just plain ignorant.
You're exactly right, but these total dumbasses can't or won't comprehend that fact! THE BACKGROUND CHECKS THAT ARE IN PLACE NOW AREN'T BEING ENFORCED! Yet these walking brain-dead think making another law is going to make some kind of difference! The only people a Universal Background Check will affect is law abiding citizens!
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The current law stopped over 400,000 criminals from obtaining a firearm in the last year. Yet out of that number, there were only 44 cases prosecuted for a felon attempting to purchase a firearm illegally. Enforce what you have and you might actually make a huge impact. Maybe you should contact the US AG office and ask them why only 44 cases were prosecuted.
They weren't obtained legally by the individual that killed his mother, stole the guns, & committed mass murder! Did you not know this?
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And the Sandy Hook loon's guns were obtained legally...your point (I mean other than you spamming the board with liberal bashing threads)?
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