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Kids are mean and hurtful. Over a period of years they mature and it gets socialized out of them. The kind of response in the OP is akin to using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut. It is completely over the tope for something that really is not a huge deal. And the idea that kids calling other kids names could have long-term consequences is utterly ridiculous.
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Just to be clear. No school allows guns. Not all speech is protected at school either...has not been since I was last there.
So if a kid can't control his mouth, maybe his parents would like to send him to Catholic or Military school...cuz I hear the Nuns and DIs are real lenient.
PS. I wonder how lenient the Nuns at St. Margaret Mary's school would allow me to wear my NRA AR15 t-shirt to class?
Kids are mean and hurtful. Over a period of years they mature and it gets socialized out of them. The kind of response in the OP is akin to using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut. It is completely over the top for something that really is not a huge deal. And the idea that kids calling other kids names could have long-term consequences is utterly ridiculous.
I've seen plenty of adults who've never "grown out of it." No one went over the top with anything--you don't have the right to do whatever you feel like doing to other people just because you're in High School. The kid was disciplined for bad behavior--it's disruptive and it interferes with learning--and it was noted in his school record. The BULLY is appealing having the notation there. I have 5 boys, and 4 of them are still in High School now. If they received a suspension, it would go in THEIR school record, with a notation explaining the suspension. The only thing different here is that the bully has a right to appeal through a formal process, which he's getting. If he lived here, he'd have to live with it, or file a lawsuit against the district.
Read the damned amendment, it restricts GOVERNMENT.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Gawd.
That would be great if we just read the Constitution and went from there, but the founding fathers established the Supreme Court for the purpose of building CASE LAW that determines the intent of the constitution in gray areas based on their rulings. You don't have unlimited free speech rights in this country--there are a ton of exceptions. You can't yell fire in a crowded movie theater (incites imminent lawless action), and in many circumstances you can't incite crime by using "fighting words," you can't threaten people, there are limits on pornography and obscenity, you can't libel or slander people, invade their privacy, or cause intentional emotional distress. There are a ton more, but I've made my point. In Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District (1969), the Supreme Court extended broad First Amendment protection to children attending public schools, prohibiting censorship unless there is "substantial interference with school discipline or the rights of others". I think bullying counts on a couple of levels--it interferes with school discipline AND it interferes with the rights of others. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedo..._United_States
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Just to be clear. No school allows guns. Not all speech is protected at school either...has not been since I was last there.
So if a kid can't control his mouth, maybe his parents would like to send him to Catholic or Military school...cuz I hear the Nuns and DIs are real lenient.
PS. I wonder how lenient the Nuns at St. Margaret Mary's school would allow me to wear my NRA AR15 t-shirt to class?
Our public school doesn't put up with a lot of nonsense either, but part of it is that MOST parents here expect their kids to actually behave while they're in school and learn. If you get into trouble at school, you're in more trouble at home. That's the way it should be.
I never thought I'd see the day when goof balls calling themselves conservatives were denouncing school discipline as some sort of liberal agenda. This kind of crap is the reason why I left the Republican party, along with a whole lot of other people on their way out the door. It's insane.
It isn't a big deal and it should not have long-term consequences.
I disagree. Not only does this bigmouth refuse to keep his mouth shut, I would guess that he feels free to repeatedly disobey rules because no one does much about it. This doesn't sound like the makings of an upstanding citizen of the future.
His Dad just needs to knock him around a liitle. That'll fix it.
Oh, wait. The bleeding hearts have determined that type of discipline causes kids to grow up and be serial killers.
Let's just put him in front of the judge. Yeah, that'll work just fine in our already drained and backlogged system.
Thanks, bleeding hearts!
That would be great if we just read the Constitution and went from there, but the founding fathers established the Supreme Court for the purpose of building CASE LAW that determines the intent of the constitution in gray areas based on their rulings. You don't have unlimited free speech rights in this country--there are a ton of exceptions. You can't yell fire in a crowded movie theater (incites imminent lawless action), and in many circumstances you can't incite crime by using "fighting words," you can't threaten people, there are limits on pornography and obscenity, you can't libel or slander people, invade their privacy, or cause intentional emotional distress. There are a ton more, but I've made my point. In Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District (1969), the Supreme Court extended broad First Amendment protection to children attending public schools, prohibiting censorship unless there is "substantial interference with school discipline or the rights of others". I think bullying counts on a couple of levels--it interferes with school discipline AND it interferes with the rights of others. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedo..._United_States
Our public school doesn't put up with a lot of nonsense either, but part of it is that MOST parents here expect their kids to actually behave while they're in school and learn. If you get into trouble at school, you're in more trouble at home. That's the way it should be.
I never thought I'd see the day when goof balls calling themselves conservatives were denouncing school discipline as some sort of liberal agenda. This kind of crap is the reason why I left the Republican party, along with a whole lot of other people on their way out the door. It's insane.
Agreed with the above (emphasis, mine). You can say/write what you want but that doesn't mean there won't be consequences. Libel and slander are well established and excellent examples of this.
His Dad just needs to knock him around a liitle. That'll fix it.
Oh, wait. The bleeding hearts have determined that type of discipline causes kids to grow up and be serial killers.
Let's just put him in front of the judge. Yeah, that'll work just fine in our already drained and backlogged system.
Thanks, bleeding hearts!
You didn't even bother to read the thread. The school put a notation in his permanent record that he'd been disciplined for bullying. The BULLY chose to appeal that notation to the State Board of Education--he wanted it removed. Nobody "put him in front of judge" and there were no charges of any kind.
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This kind of crap is the reason why I left the Republican party, along with a whole lot of other people on their way out the door. It's insane.
