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When you voted and cheered for Obama to "tax the rich" meaning the small business owners you were not supporting small business and in fact made it harder for them to grow and create jobs.
Also as long as the economy does not grow, and demand is decreased there is no reason for businesses to hire.
Without costing tax payers billions? First it is money they made, it is not the governments money and obviously they can do a better job than government. You have it backwards.
soanchorless, do you really think taking money OFF the job creators is going to result in creating more jobs? Think!
I already told you that I didn't support Obama! I didn't vote for him either. All the welfare programs under Obama were exactly the same under Bush. The only difference is that there are more people on the rolls. Much of this is simply due to the economy right now. And the economy would be this way, one way or another, due to NAFTA and globalization, along with new technologies that make labor obsolete.
Like I already told you, I support anything that will help people start and grow small businesses. Ten years ago I called my state rep and senators and wrote a letter to the editor of the local paper in support of a bill that provided assistance to high school students who wanted to start businesses in their communities. I've always supported this stuff.
What's pathetic is that no one from the right side will call out this specimen for making things up.
What is pathetic is YOU calling him out when YOU don't know a darn thing about him.
YOU are calling him a liar and don't have the nerve to respond to HIM direct . You do do it through a third party.
I did a job for a car dealer that ONLY sold used Cadillacs and Buick Electra 225s (referred to as 'deuce and a quarter), located in a not very good area of Wash. D.C..
I asked him how these people could afford such expensive cars. He said, "Easy. They get the down payment, (underground economy. Many had cabs which is a cash business and much is NOT reported) which was much higher then normal, and they NEVER make another payment." he said he had gotten MANY cars back, he bought them back from the lending institution that gave the loans, with payment book in the glove compartment and not ONE payment had been maid. he sold one car 6 times.
If you disagree with that, then what do you advocate; that it is okay to initiate physical force against those who haven't used force in the first place? If so, in what circumstances, or for what reasons do you think it is okay?
I support libertarian socialism. Same basic concept, but with voluntary mutual aid and more equitable distribution of capital and property.
I support libertarian socialism. Same basic concept, but with voluntary mutual aid and more equitable distribution of capital and property.
So what if some people, or even better, most people don't want to volunteer to do this in this kind of society? That is, if it is voluntary after all. What is to be done if some choose to distribute this capital/property amongst themselves inequitably?
How is this "equitable distribution" to carried out in the real world?
Gee- I am in the highest tax bracket and also have to pay for wars that I did not agree with as well as a bunch of welfare bums. One does not get the opportunity to selectively fund what one wants in the government. If that was the case, the tax payers like me who pay essentially all of the taxes in the US would defund welfare, social security, Obamacare, medicaid, public housing, the public school system, and most of the departments in the federal government.
I also pay taxes for "other people's children" to go to public schools, while my kids went to parochial schools and private colleges.
So I guess you really don't give a damn about those on welfare, otherwise you would contribute money to them. All of those "heart felt emotions" and "hurt feelings" don't do a damn thing. This is the problem with liberals- long on talk and short on action.
Exactly hawkeye, we pay the taxes then are told we don't pay our fair share when we have half the nation taking out of the government coffers. Damn, I pay unemployment taxes and will never be able to collect even if my business fails. I am told it is called something like "at arms length".
Liberals want everyone else to pay but not them. Look at Warren Buffett, a man whose career is a lesson in personal tax minimization, he is the last person who should be preaching about “fairness” when it comes to taxation.
Jim Sinegal, an Obama supporter and who spoke at the Democratic National Convention. Yet Jim Sinegal sits on the Costco board borrowed money to pay out big dividends before the end of 2012 to avoid Obama tax hikes. Now they are lobbying to get an online sales tax which will hurt small businesses.
You say you are against corporate welfare but when you vote for Obama that is exactly who you are voting for.
You feel entitled to a job. You're letting yourself get drawn into the very phenomenon that causes people to feel "too proud" to take welfare and medicare, like you were talking about in your first post. I expect my tax dollars to be spent on something worth while as well, but I don't feel entitled to anything.
I feel entitled to work my ass off until I possess the skills to get the job I want. I do not feel entitled to a job that's given to me by anyone, for any reason, that doesn't have something to do with MY skills and abilities to do the job. Get yourself a marketable skill, and you'll find a job. Continue feeling entitled to something that you did not earn, and you'll never make anything out of yourself. You will continue feeling sorry for your life and the choices that you make while systematically blaming others for your own shortcomings.
You ever wonder why people have the "welfare queen" view of those who take that entitlement? It's people like you, that's why. You are the reason. You feel entitled to something that you did not earn. You feel entitled to be provided with stuff, a job, money, whatever...paid for by the rest of us.
When I finished reading your original post in this thread, you had some sympathy from me because I agree with you that some people are too proud to take help. But after continuing to read your posts in this thread, I quickly realized that you're no better than any of them out there. You want stuff. They want stuff. You rationalize entitlements. They rationalize entitlements.
Sorry, but you've completely swept your own legs out from underneath yourself in this argument.
Wow. Your post is full of so many false assumptions.
First of all, I DO NOT feel sorry for myself or the choices I've made. I simply posted about objective facts: I was underfed and did not receive adequate healthcare as a child because my mother chose to forgo government assistance. This in no way automatically means I feel sorry for myself. Instead, I feel empowered to do all I can to make sure other children do not go through the same.
I also never said that anyone should get a job regardless of skills or work ethic. But Americans are entitled to have enough jobs to go around for EVERYONE when our tax dollars are paying for it.
And yes, I was entitled to food and healthcare as a child because my mother paid taxes and the laws of our country said I was entitled to it. You were too as a child, and you received it.
I currently own a small business. I also work a part time job. I am also working my way through college to improve my skills so I can improve my business and rely solely on it for income within the next five years. And I expect one day to grow it to a point where I can provide jobs for other people. I homeschool my child while paying property taxes so other people's kids get free educations that will improve their lives and help them become productive members of society. I also spend my dollars consciously to support businesses that create well paying jobs for Americans. What are you doing to create jobs?
If you can't find a job in the USA, you need to go (back) to college.
In Communism it was against the law to be without a job. No excuse, jobs are there even though you may feel you aren't getting what you think you deserve (that's the story of Capitalism)
"you need to go (back) to college." They need to finish high school first.
I already told you that I didn't support Obama! I didn't vote for him either. All the welfare programs under Obama were exactly the same under Bush. The only difference is that there are more people on the rolls. Much of this is simply due to the economy right now. And the economy would be this way, one way or another, due to NAFTA and globalization, along with new technologies that make labor obsolete.
Like I already told you, I support anything that will help people start and grow small businesses. Ten years ago I called my state rep and senators and wrote a letter to the editor of the local paper in support of a bill that provided assistance to high school students who wanted to start businesses in their communities. I've always supported this stuff.
Well Obama and Indian Elizabeth Warren says small business owners "didn't build that". I doubt that your letter did any good. I even went to a SBA meeting and it was just a bunch of nothing. It was a big waste of time.
The only difference is there are more people. ALOT MORE! So you claim that it is because there are no jobs? Well Hell... just cheering a president who wants to rob everyone by higher taxes. Write to Obama and tell him to get his greedy fingers out of everyone's pocket. The middle class will have more to spend and the small business will have more money to grow and hire.
I agree that welfare has a place. I fully support the safety net. However, it can get out of hand. Here in Oregon, we seem to have an endless stream of trustafarians from elsewhere rolling into town with their pit bull puppy on a rope, panhandling, and being general asses. "Oregon: Where Young People Go to Retire" did not come about for nothing. We show compassion to shiftless kids who need to be shown the business end of a steel-toed work boot!
So, I won't do anymore antiwelfare ranting, but will put myself firmly in the camp that believes it should be strictly monitored.
Corporate welfare? End that entirely, including the farm bill and the mortgage interest deduction (welfare for realtors).
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