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Old 05-10-2013, 06:26 AM
 
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I don't see apples here and nothing is grabbing me. Is there some cuteness factor you are trying to get across that I'm missing?
The point is, as you clearly understand but don't wish to acknowledge, is that killing an unborn baby is being considered murder in this case. This is disturbing to those that make the claim that unborn children are not people and that killing them is not murder. There is the cuteness you are avoiding.
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Earth
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I started this thread earlier with a copied/pasted supporting paragraph from the article as well as links to two internet articles. The thread was deleted because I didn't offer enough supporting personal commentary. I've been told I have to provide a sentence or two.

So, here is another thread with a couple of supporting comments:

1. Castro might be charged with murder. What do ya think of them apples?

2. They might charge Castro with murder. How's that grab ya?

I will provide a link as well as a paragraph from one of the articles, just like I did before. The other article I posted was from Reuters but I can't find it now.

Let the spin begin:

An Ohio prosecutor said he may seek the death penalty against Ariel Castro, the Cleveland man charged today with the kidnap and rape of three women he allegedly brutalized for a decade while allegedly inducing abortions in at least one of the captives.

Ariel Castro, Cleveland Kidnap Suspect, May Face Death Penalty - ABC News
I guess you never majored in Medicine, or Law.

Here's your answer:
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A man that kidnaps and rapes a woman and then beats and starves her to kill the fetus without her consent (for lack of a better word) is not exactly the same as a woman being in control of her own body and making a decisoin based upon her personal situation and/or medical condition.

I just knew that there were individuals with tunnel vision that would not be able to make this dinstinction. I just knew it.

Last edited by CaseyB; 05-10-2013 at 08:38 AM.. Reason: off topic
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Fetal Homicide State Laws
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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maxwell edison majoring in medicine
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:34 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The point is, as you clearly understand but don't wish to acknowledge, is that killing an unborn baby is being considered murder in this case. This is disturbing to those that make the claim that unborn children are not people and that killing them is not murder. There is the cuteness you are avoiding.




Here, the liberals are not thinking past their noses, yet once again.
That don't realize once precedence is set, it is the law.

All the abortion's, will then be considered murder.


They are already using pregnant women, killed in traffic accidents involving alcohol, as murdering the unborn child, in a 2 count conviction.
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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When the case is as solid as this is, it shouldn't cost more than the price of a bullet.

Shooting this POS in the head would be to clean of a death for him considering what he did and for how long he did it.

But by some method, this guy needs to die.
Agreed. Hell, I'll even pay for the round and save the taxpayers a buck.
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:48 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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When the case is as solid as this is, it shouldn't cost more than the price of a bullet.

Shooting this POS in the head would be to clean of a death for him considering what he did and for how long he did it.

But by some method, this guy needs to die.
Indeed, and I've already suggested this as well. Cheap, efficient, and we don't have to feed and house the scumbag on our dime for the rest of his miserable life!

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Agreed. Hell, I'll even pay for the round and save the taxpayers a buck.
As will I.
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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"Capital punishment must be reserved for those crimes that are truly the worst examples of human conduct," Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Timothy McGinty said today, indicating that Castro will likely face additional charges of aggravated murder related to the pregnancies.

Ariel Castro, Cleveland Kidnap Suspect, May Face Death Penalty - ABC News

So when a doctor causes a fetus to die, it's not murder, but when someone else causes a fetus to die, it is murder?

I would have thought leaving him to rot in jail the way he abused his captives would be a much better punishment than a quick and easy death. I think if I was one of his victims I would prefer he experienced all that jail has to offer, beatings, rapes, hopelessness, terror, violence etc... Seems much more appropriate. As long as they never release him. Knowing you are literally going to die trapped in a box seems a good punishment. I know I would go insane if it was me.

Of course that costs the State a lot of money but in terms of actually inflicting pain jail is a better option surely ? Some Posters are obviously far more humane than I am. A bullet is the easy way out IMO. Cheap , yes but not a fit punishment for the crimes committed. Those victims of his will live with this for the rest of their lives. Let him pay for the rest of his life too.

I cannot fathom how these people get away with those things for so long though. If you live in some remote cabin in the boons then that would be easy but in an urban are with plenty of neighbours, it truly is odd that nobody ever noticed anything amiss in a decade.
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:08 AM
 
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The point is, as you clearly understand but don't wish to acknowledge, is that killing an unborn baby is being considered murder in this case. This is disturbing to those that make the claim that unborn children are not people and that killing them is not murder. There is the cuteness you are avoiding.
It's so nice to see someone gets it. Liberals get exploding head syndrome and little bits and pieces fly everywhere. It's impossible for them to narrow the subject down to just the facts.

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This is nothing but a troll thread.
Isn't this against the rules here?

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A man that kidnaps and rapes a woman and then beats and starves her to kill the fetus without her consent (for lack of a better word) is not exactly the same as a woman being in control of her own body and making a decisoin based upon her personal situation and/or medical condition.

I just knew that there were individuals with tunnel vision that would not be able to make this dinstinction. I just knew it.
This isn't about the woman, her body, or who controls it.

It's about whether a fetus is a baby or a clump of cells.
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:10 AM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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A man that kidnaps and rapes a woman and then beats and starves her to kill the fetus without her consent (for lack of a better word) is not exactly the same as a woman being in control of her own body and making a decisoin based upon her personal situation and/or medical condition.

I just knew that there were individuals with tunnel vision that would not be able to make this dinstinction. I just knew it.
A child does not choose the circumstance in which s/he was conceived. Why is the child conceived this way more or less "disposable" than a child conceived any other way? It's just a different viewpoint.
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