Should the United States have universal health care? (Obama, school, politician)
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Why don't you write me a check for some of that "Not-Yours" money you've stashed in your bank account.
Your post, of course, is nonsensical.
I have $15.87 in my account. That will get you a big bottle of Pepto and maybe some cough drops.
Like I state in all threads at some point:
I simply refuse to play the "point system" or "Left v Right" game.
I mean, yes, you try to live healthy and pay for insurance. I personally do this. But c'mon with this whole "responsible v irresponsible" nonsense.
Are we going to put microchips in food to determine that singular potato chip that gave someone high blood pressure? Then maybe we'll know for sure it's their "fault".
Ideally folks are going to try to eat right, exercise, blah blah but we aren't even close to a point of perfecting the complete care of health.
I remember my doctor telling me one time that in his career he had recommended and then discouraged or vice versa so many foods for medical conditions based on the latest studies that he probably killed just as many people as he helped.
Again, you're trying to "keep points" in a game that isn't perfect absent money/b.s. and you want to try to do it WITH the money involved.
I have $15.87 in my account. That will get you a big bottle of Pepto and maybe some cough drops.
Like I state in all threads at some point:
I simply refuse to play the "point system" or "Left v Right" game.
I mean, yes, you try to live healthy and pay for insurance. I personally do this. But c'mon with this whole "responsible v irresponsible" nonsense.
Are we going to put microchips in food to determine that singular potato chip that gave someone high blood pressure? Then maybe we'll know for sure it's their "fault".
Ideally folks are going to try to eat right, exercise, blah blah but we aren't even close to a point of perfecting the complete care of health.
I remember my doctor telling me one time that in his career he had recommended and then discouraged or vice versa so many foods for medical conditions based on the latest studies that he probably killed just as many people as he helped.
Again, you're trying to "keep points" in a game that isn't perfect absent money/b.s. and you want to try to do it WITH the money involved.
Good luck with that.
I'm not really sure what you are trying to say.
My position is we need to get back to "cash and carry" for routine care needs, and insurance only for bankrupting emergencies.
You seem to object to the concept of "money", but the only alternative is barter.
It seems you are trying to overcomplicate things. In an economy, people earn money by labor, mercantile, investment etc., and use that money to pay for things. It is simple and straightforward.
That includes payment for services such as medical care.
Maybe your idea would work in a "commune" where everyone pulled their weight, but beyond that, I don't think it is possible.
One other thing. When I said responsible and irresponsible, I meant people that decide to apply themselves and earn a living to pay for their needs, vs those that chose otherwise. I wasn't talking about living a responsible life as far as foods to eat etc. My opinion is eat whatever you want, but be prepared to accept, i.e. pay, for the consequences.
I think if we went back to cash and carry for routine care, the cost would drop to 25% of its current level as all the "air" was pumped out by market forces being applied. Those forces always result in the best product at the best price, but you have to use your own money or it doesn't work.
Nobody cares about OPM (Other People's Money).
Last edited by Robin Rossi; 05-11-2013 at 11:01 PM..
They won't. YOU and I will. All they are going to do is walk into some office, fill out a form saying they can't afford it, and bam. No tax liability. The rest of us are going to make up the difference with our tax dollars.
I get the feeling LeaveWI was more than happy to let the rest of the taxpayers in Austrlia pay for the $600 medication that he paid less than $80 for. I'd guess we have plenty of people here with the same mentality. Healthcare for all, paid for by OPM (other people's money.)
I get the feeling LeaveWI was more than happy to let the rest of the taxpayers in Austrlia pay for the $600 medication that he paid less than $80 for. I'd guess we have plenty of people here with the same mentality. Healthcare for all, paid for by OPM (other people's money.)
Typical of the ilk. They all want something for their nothing.
I get the feeling LeaveWI was more than happy to let the rest of the taxpayers in Austrlia pay for the $600 medication that he paid less than $80 for. I'd guess we have plenty of people here with the same mentality. Healthcare for all, paid for by OPM (other people's money.)
Australians, all Australians, paid the $80 for the prescription. US consumers pay more for prescriptions, but then the pharma companies go to other countries and sell the same drug cheaper. I'm tempted to think they don't need the monopoly patent protection as much as they say they do.
My position is we need to get back to "cash and carry" for routine care needs, and insurance only for bankrupting emergencies.
You seem to object to the concept of "money", but the only alternative is barter.
It seems you are trying to overcomplicate things. In an economy, people earn money by labor, mercantile, investment etc., and use that money to pay for things. It is simple and straightforward.
That includes payment for services such as medical care.
Maybe your idea would work in a "commune" where everyone pulled their weight, but beyond that, I don't think it is possible.
One other thing. When I said responsible and irresponsible, I meant people that decide to apply themselves and earn a living to pay for their needs, vs those that chose otherwise. I wasn't talking about living a responsible life as far as foods to eat etc. My opinion is eat whatever you want, but be prepared to accept, i.e. pay, for the consequences.
I think if we went back to cash and carry for routine care, the cost would drop to 25% of its current level as all the "air" was pumped out by market forces being applied. Those forces always result in the best product at the best price, but you have to use your own money or it doesn't work.
Yes, I went philosophical on you with the money angle and I would even agree with you that cash and carry for routine care probably did work better. Actually I think it did much better.
BUT
(now back to philosophy)
The introduction of money into any natural process (which is what health care is) ALWAYS makes the process much worse. Whether the money is in the form of "government regulation" (Gangster A) or private enterprise (Gangster B) all you are doing is contriving and manipulating a basic need for profit.
If I can't get some folks to go all in on communism I would hope we could at least take money out of the processes of basic human needs.
There's plenty of money to be made in entertainment/ non-essential ventures (breast implants, mom and pop pizza shops, juggling, whatever you can make a buck on).
It's 2013 and people in this country don't have homes, cut meds in half, have to buy water to drink cuz of poor infrastructure and profit margins (again blaming both so-called sides...L vs. R).
In 2014 we will have universal.Everyone has to have coverage at taxpyer expense or buy it as determined by income. But not single payer which means Op seems to want someone else to pay for healthcare;bascially.
Yes, I went philosophical on you with the money angle and I would even agree with you that cash and carry for routine care probably did work better. Actually I think it did much better.
BUT
(now back to philosophy)
The introduction of money into any natural process (which is what health care is) ALWAYS makes the process much worse. Whether the money is in the form of "government regulation" (Gangster A) or private enterprise (Gangster B) all you are doing is contriving and manipulating a basic need for profit.
If I can't get some folks to go all in on communism I would hope we could at least take money out of the processes of basic human needs.
There's plenty of money to be made in entertainment/ non-essential ventures (breast implants, mom and pop pizza shops, juggling, whatever you can make a buck on).
It's 2013 and people in this country don't have homes, cut meds in half, have to buy water to drink cuz of poor infrastructure and profit margins (again blaming both so-called sides...L vs. R).
It's madness and has to end.
Your solution is pending.
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