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Old 05-11-2013, 02:20 PM
 
Location: North America
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Bipartisanship is dead. At least until 2013. - The Washington Post

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The two parties in Congress don’t agree on much of anything. It’s hard to see the FEMA funding fight as anything but a debate on principle given the paltry amount of money at stake. (To be clear: We would gladly take the $2.6 billion in question but when compared to the totality of spending by the federal gover**nment, it’s a paucity.) What 2011 has proven is that the two parties carry widely divergent views about nearly every issue but especially the right way to turn around the nation's struggling economy.


Republicans see cutting spending and tackling entitlements like Social Security and Medicare as the right path and anything involving raising taxes as a non-starter. Democrats advocate a combination of spending cuts and tax increases with any major changes to entitlement programs regarded as anathema.
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:25 PM
 
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I've seen an intersting article that gerrymandering did. Politicans act to get reelected, and politicans from districts with safe majorities make little or no effort to compromise with the other side.
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:29 PM
 
Location: North America
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I've seen an intersting article that gerrymandering did. Politicans act to get reelected, and politicans from districts with safe majorities make little or no effort to compromise with the other side.
Gerrymandering also forces out moderate congressmen. Why can't gerrymandering simply be made illegal?
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:39 PM
 
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When was there ever Bipartisanship? When we went to war with Iraq? Go
Bipartisanship!
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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Total nonsense. 95% of all legislation propsed passes and normally without much debate.

Look at Obamacare. The options weren't between a government run system and a private run system. The option was how much control the government was going to take. Dems want 100% control, Repubs 97%.

Same with gay marriage. Democrats in DC want to leave it up to the states. Republicans in DC want to leave it up to the states. Yet, this is supposedly a partisan issue? lols.

The country was bipartisan in 1860, not 2013.

Who wants bipartisanship anyway. The most bipartisan countries I can think of are/were the Soviet Union, North Korea, Iran, Vietnam. Everyone agrees with the government in those places.
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:47 PM
 
Location: North America
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Total nonsense. 95% of all legislation propsed passes and normally without much debate.

Look at Obamacare. The options weren't between a government run system and a private run system. The option was how much control the government was going to take. Dems want 100% control, Repubs 97%.

Same with gay marriage. Democrats in DC want to leave it up to the states. Republicans in DC want to leave it up to the states. Yet, this is supposedly a partisan issue? lols.

The country was bipartisan in 1860, not 2013.

Who wants bipartisanship anyway. The most bipartisan countries I can think of are/were the Soviet Union, North Korea, Iran, Vietnam. Everyone agrees with the government in those places.
Not true.
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:48 PM
 
Location: in a cabin overlooking the mountains
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News media are not helping. The more the screamers on both the left and right sides can convince the public that the sky is falling and that the other side is evil, the more advertising and or books they can sell.
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:49 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Gerrymandering also forces out moderate congressmen. Why can't gerrymandering simply be made illegal?
One of the reasons why it wont become illegal is that you would then need someone to decide what is and isnt gerrymandering.

It isnt possible to just cut up each congressional districts into neat little squares or rectangles because there is a big difference between living in a city core and living in the boondocks. You cant do it county by county because of the same reasons. If you do it by Arbitrary lines then you are some what defeating the purpose of representation in congress.

BUT THEN AGAIN, is that really worse than the Representation in the current congress and state legislatures. I mean I live just outside(less than a mile) of a medium sized town that is the heart of this area, yet my State Representative is based in a town 50 miles away. The only thing that connects my small comunity to his town is sliver of land along the state line of Alabama/florida. The new Districts, that still havent been approved are now have me represented by the guy based uptown, but the district line only shifted 1 mile to the east.
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Old 05-11-2013, 03:14 PM
 
Location: 77441
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obama killed it.

please recall his statements after he won in 08.

remember this?
we won, republicans can sit in the back of the bus ?

remember the pompus a$$ insulting SCOTUS during his SOTUA ?

nope, sorry.
the bumbling idiot caused all the friction between the parties.
the way things are looking democrats will be used to mop the floor during the mid-terms.
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Old 05-11-2013, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Total nonsense. 95% of all legislation propsed passes and normally without much debate.

Look at Obamacare. The options weren't between a government run system and a private run system. The option was how much control the government was going to take. Dems want 100% control, Repubs 97%.

Same with gay marriage. Democrats in DC want to leave it up to the states. Republicans in DC want to leave it up to the states. Yet, this is supposedly a partisan issue? lols.

The country was bipartisan in 1860, not 2013.

Who wants bipartisanship anyway. The most bipartisan countries I can think of are/were the Soviet Union, North Korea, Iran, Vietnam. Everyone agrees with the government in those places.
In 1860 we saw a split between the Democrats so I wouldn't say it was bipartisan. There were the northern Democrats and the southern Democrats who later succeeded from the US.

I do agree, the issue with Obama is he uses HARSH rhetoric but then asks for Republicans to still work WITH him. And people wonder why Bohener said "**** ***" to Harry Reid.
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