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Old 05-16-2013, 12:26 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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I think the economy is starting to pick up dramatically, and all of this "corruption" posturing is a lot of blustering and blowing because the far right end of the R party can't keep claiming that we're going to h*ll in a hand basket anymore. It's a nice diversion from the fact that we're in full economic recovery mode. Instead, we're talking about made up scandals.
You can't claim this lame excuse anymore, dude. Not with Lib oulets like HuffPo and the New Yorker in on it now.
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Old 05-16-2013, 12:40 PM
 
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We learned during his first term exactly who Obama was. He's a petty, thin skinned divider. He seems to only care about doing things that are fun (golf, basketball, hanging with celebs) or things that will get him adored, campaign events.
And we knew Holder was corrupt, that wasn't a surprise either.

What has amazed me is the sheer volume of people willing to help him bully people. The IRS thing involved high and low level people in at least 3 cities. A different people were involved with the AP thing. We now know that multiple people had knowledge of the lies put together for talking points after Benghazi. We know Petraeus was outed and still lied for them.

When the press was attacking Woodward for telling the truth, there were some murmurs from other press people about being bullied by Obama people, but those quickly disappeared, and then a few have resurfaced after the AP scandal.

I would love to know what kind of files they are keeping on people to keep them in line. I have a feeling Patraeus is not the only person who they have gathered information on. They just had to use his because he knew the truth (confirmed in e-mails released this week) and he was getting ready to testify to Congress.

I would have thought honest people somewhere would have put a stop to at least the IRS scandal, but apparently people are all too willing to contribute if it helps their ideology.
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Old 05-16-2013, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The bigger surprise is that the media has finally decided to act like they care.
It is called slow news, when they don't have anything to talk about, they pick up old stories and run them like they are new scandals to keep their audiences glued to them so they don't lose any of their advertisers.
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Old 05-16-2013, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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Barack Hussein has never won an argument or election on his own merits or arguments. He won them by demonizing or disqualifying the other side. That is the sign of a failure.
I think it's a sign of stupid voters.
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Old 05-16-2013, 01:26 PM
 
Location: North America
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The OP spent many posts on a previous thread arguing about what a magnanimous guy Nixon was because he "resigned for the good of the country." No matter how many times it was pointed out to him that Nixon's own party had turned against him and his impeachment and conviction was all but certain, he continued to insist that Nixon only resigned to "end the madness" that the left was putting the country through. That tells you all you need to know about the OP's supposed "shock" at the "corruption" in this administration.

Talk about madness. The OP is like every other frothing-at-the-mouth conservative who has been searching under every rock to find something to call a scandal. So far, they've got nothing. That must be so galling, when there is such a rich history of true scandal in their own party.
Your post is a complete falsehood, HeyJude.

Please point to the EXACT post of mine where I said the ONLY reason Nixon resigned was for the good of the country.

And as someone posted earlier today...Bush was supposedly the "illegitimate" president from DAY 1 so let's not pretend like democrat liberals didn't ride Bush like a boy riding the family dog.

Oh no we haven't forgotten these scenes from "tolerant" progressives from DAY 1:


Disgusting Liberals protesting George W. Bush Inauguration - YouTube
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Old 05-16-2013, 01:39 PM
 
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By recent presidential standards, these so-called "scandals" are mild in comparison. It's more of the Republicans really trying to find some mud to stick on Obama, trying to blow things out of proportion, because there hasn't been a lot of controversy. They're also doing this with an eye on a possible or potential future presidential run by Hillary Clinton, which is why the GOP is trying to keep ginning it up.

More consular/embassy staff were killed during the Bush administration died in attacks than in Benghazi.

10 were killed in Karachi, Pakistan in 2002.
10 killed in bombing in Yemen, 2008
5 staffers dead in consulate attack in Saudi, 2004

In Politicizing Benghazi Attack, Republicans Ignore Their Own Terrible Security Record – 9/11 Happened on Their Watch, As Did Seven Attacks on U.S. Diplomatic Sites Overseas*Pensito Review

As for the IRS thing - let's look at the context. It's pretty much limited to one office in Cincinnati that got flooded with a slew of Tea Party applications for tax-exempt status. The IRS bungled it politically, but from a procedural POV, they were doing their job. And yes, it's pretty ridiculous to have organizations that ARE political operations apply for charitable/tax exempt status. C'mon, Rove's American Crossroads is one of them. Get real.
" It's pretty much limited to one office in Cincinnati" No it isn't. You need to catch up.
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Old 05-16-2013, 01:48 PM
 
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What do I really think? I think it's a good thing Rahm left. He's one of the engines that drives corruption.
I don't think AG Eric Holder is doing him any favors, either.

And regarding these scandals, they are completely unnecessary for Obama's agenda. He seems to be doing well, the facade of the economy [appears] to be getting better, we’ve stayed out of a new major conflicts and wars, and, by and large, have avoided any major terror attacks.

In other words, for as many people who want to see him fail (just like any liberal wanted to see Bush fail), he was doing just fine, you know, before all the lies and deceit.
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Old 05-16-2013, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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As for the IRS thing - let's look at the context. It's pretty much limited to one office in Cincinnati that got flooded with a slew of Tea Party applications for tax-exempt status. The IRS bungled it politically, but from a procedural POV, they were doing their job. And yes, it's pretty ridiculous to have organizations that ARE political operations apply for charitable/tax exempt status. C'mon, Rove's American Crossroads is one of them. Get real.
First of all, the IRS was not "doing their job" when they singled out conservative groups in order to refuse or delay their applications for a tax status they qualified for, while not applying scrutiny to liberal groups. Nor were they "doing their job" when personal information required by the IRS was then sent to liberal organizations so that conservative donors could be harassed and slandered.

The power of the IRS is absurd and dangerous in an era where a gigantic and fiscally insane Big Government needs to confiscate huge amounts of wealth from the productive economy and from working Americans. To have it being used against Americans who are outraged with Washington's excessive spending should sink the entire Administration that allowed it to occur.

Tax exemptions should apply to ALL groups that are not a commercial business trying to make a profit. The tax system supports government by "skimming" off productive, money making activity--including the profits of business and the wages of working Americans. There is no profit to be skimmed from a group that merely lobbies for the interests of its donors in Washington.

Americans should be encouraged to donate to groups lobbying for their ideas in Washington. Considering that pretty much EVERY special interest group has paid lobbyists in Washington to get them a share of Washington's generosity with our money, there should be at least as many lobbyists trying to impress on politicians that it is not their money to give away.

And if you are an American who has not read Davy Crocket's speech to the House of Representatives, "Not Yours to Give," you need to read it here: Page Title

And in fact, contributions to 501c4 organizations are NOT tax-deductible to donors. So there is no "break" given that would lower tax revenues in other areas.
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:02 PM
 
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The bigger surprise is that the media has finally decided to act like they care.
Not to worry, it will only be shortlived and of only moderate intensity at worst.

If bush was filmed filching a second glass of water at a cafe, it would have been broadcast and talked about for years as if he had stolen the beating hearts from the chests of a dozen newborns.
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:04 PM
 
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" It's pretty much limited to one office in Cincinnati" No it isn't. You need to catch up.
How you deceive with your falsehood, aka LIE,

It was a NATIONAL office conducting business from across the entire nation, merely headquartered in Ohio. It wasn't serving a local or regional area, but the entire Nation.

If it was in DC would you say it was JUST one office in DC.
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