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Old 05-22-2013, 06:18 PM
 
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You ask, we answer! Can employed people get Obamacare subsidies?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/31/us...rage.html?_r=0

Apparently your employer's only has to meet the ACA's laws by making sure the health care premiums meet 9.5% of the individual employee's AGI and does not have to meet 9.5% of the what it would cost to cover the "family" health premiums.

The IRS ruled on this earlier this year. I just read about it. This affects millions of middle/lower class W-2 employees who usually work for employers with 50-500 employees. Because these employers are required by the ACA to provide "affordable" health coverage or risk a fine. But what the IRS ruling did was define the 9.5% AGI cutoff as making employers make their employees pay up to 9.5% of their individual employee's AGI for their INDIVIDUAL coverage.

Why is this distinction important? Because a family insurance will usually cost cost to 15K a year in premiums alone. We've seen Vermont and now Maryland's proposed 2014 rates. They average is about $1100-1400 a month for a family of 4.

This is a real example since I know this person very well. She is a nurse making $60K, AGI is about 42K after deductions (she has 2 kids, single mother). That's clearly middle class income.

Her employer is a physician's office that currently employs 75. They just enrolled for the upcoming year.

If she were to have just herself on the plan. Her employer would subsidize her $375. She would pay $120 per month with a $2000 high deductible. Her employer's health plan is clearly within the ACA's guidelines since she is not paying more than 9.5% of her AGI.

But they have a "family" plan option that costs...$1200 a month. Yep $1200 a month. It doesn't matter the family size. Can be 2 people, can be 8 people. It will still cost $1200 a month with a $4000 deductible. Since she has 2 kids. She would have to enroll herself and 2 kids into the family plan. So for next year she will have to pay close to $15K in premiums alone. And guess what? Because the IRS ruling state employers only need to consider the employee's part of the premiums in their calculation of the 9.5% AGI, the employer is clearly still within the law's compliance and will not face a fine.

Now to the most important part. Obama (your savior) and the Dems claim the law is "affordable". But the IRS also ruled that if a employed person has "affordable" healthcare offered by their employer, than they CANNOT qualify for any subsidies in the health exchange. Read the NY Times (one of the most liberal newspapers in the country). They said the administration calculated it would cost 45 billion more per year if they allow employee who have access to "affordable" healthcare to get subsidies.

So nurse I know can still buy insurance on the health exchange. But the plans release by Vermont and Maryland already indicate that it will still end up costing her roughly $1000 a month in premiums ago. $12000 a year in premiums is slightly cheaper than the $15000 she has to pay with her employer. And because her employer offer's "affordable insurance". She will not qualify for any subsidies even though she makes less than 400% of poverty.

Wait wait...wait a second, all you liberal supporters who claim more people will have access to care. Why can't the nurse just put her 2 kids on a pediatric only insurance plan and the nurse goes on the employer's care. That may be cheaper? Right? Nope...Because of the ACA law, all insurance companies have pulled out of the pediatric only insurance market. That isn't an option.

Currently the nurse has opted out of her employer's plan all together for this current year.. It was costing her $900 a month already (before the new $1200 a month increase took place). I got her switched to a $500 a month plan with a $5000 deductible. But next year, she cannot stay with the same plan because that current plan doesn't comply with the ACA's "essential benefits". Essential Health Benefits - Glossary | HealthCare.gov

The plan she has doesn't cover maternity. Under the ACA, all plans she buys will have to cover maternity. Cool, Obama wants her to have "good insurance" . But does she really need maternity coverage if she's had her tubes tied and a uterine ablation?
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Old 05-22-2013, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Houston
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I'd be looking for a job that has better healthcare benefits.
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Old 05-22-2013, 06:44 PM
 
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I'd be looking for a job that has better healthcare benefits.
Easier said than done. When people have small kids and single mother. A job that offers a 7-3pm schedule is hard to fine.

The nurse can switch to a hospital job. But that would require some 7-7 shifts and some weekends. Clearly a hard option when she has a 2 year old and a 10 year old waiting at home with no parent. Baby sitters can become rather expensive quickly and are not 100% reliable.

You gotta remember, not everyone works for a multinational employer or works for employer that has 1000s of employees that can shop for the best health plans and subsidize other members of the family.
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Old 05-22-2013, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I'm having a hard time seeing how Obamacare has made anything worse for your "nurse". Her employer does not currently offer to pay for family coverage and will not under Obamacare. In fact, Obamacare rates will be lower4 for her. Sounds like a deal.
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Old 05-22-2013, 06:48 PM
 
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Employers provide health care insurance benefits because it is customary or it gives them an advantage in attracting workers. There is no current mandate but millions are covered. That is not going to change. Employees will opt to go with employers who offer the best package of pay and benefits and employers know that. As previous poster said, your nurse should go elsewhere. Nursing jobs are easy to find. (I think employer health insurance is a very stupid system, but Obamacare enshrined it instead of getting rid of it, a major mistake()
I posted above the nurse is single and has young kids. The current job gives her good pay with very good hours she can't replicate at a hospital job.

Employer health insurance is quirky. Just remember other countries, employer's pay a "health tax" also depending on their size. Any way you look at it, employers will end up paying for someone's health benefits.
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Old 05-22-2013, 06:52 PM
 
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Easier said than done. When people have small kids and single mother. A job that offers a 7-3pm schedule is hard to fine.

The nurse can switch to a hospital job. But that would require some 7-7 shifts and some weekends. Clearly a hard option when she has a 2 year old and a 10 year old waiting at home with no parent. Baby sitters can become rather expensive quickly and are not 100% reliable.

You gotta remember, not everyone works for a multinational employer or works for employer that has 1000s of employees that can shop for the best health plans and subsidize other members of the family.
Your friend should go to Health Insurance - Find Affordable Health Insurance Plans and Buy Medical Coverage Online. The private family plans offer more coverage, lower deductibles, and lower premiums than what you say she is going to have to pay.
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Old 05-22-2013, 06:58 PM
 
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Your friend should go to Health Insurance - Find Affordable Health Insurance Plans and Buy Medical Coverage Online. The private family plans offer more coverage, lower deductibles, and lower premiums than what you say she is going to have to pay.
The nurse did go to ehealthinsurance and did purchase one of those plans. But she will not be "grandfathered" into those plans since she has a newer plan,

So starting next year, they will jack up her current rates. Like I said, next year (unless you are grandfathered into old plan by having it before May 2010), all new plans will have to be in compliance (like include maternity benefits, psychiatry benefits etc). The new plans will end up costing her twice as much as what she is paying right now.

She's royally screwed. Many other W2 employees are screwed as well. Especially those who work at smaller businesses that can't get the best rates as big companies.
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Old 05-22-2013, 08:26 PM
 
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I'm having a hard time seeing how Obamacare has made anything worse for your "nurse". Her employer does not currently offer to pay for family coverage and will not under Obamacare. In fact, Obamacare rates will be lower4 for her. Sounds like a deal.
You don't get it. Currently without the ACA. She went on ehealthinsurance and got a good plan for $500/month with a $5000 deductible.

She opted out of her employer plan.

What Obamcarecare does is next year 2014. That same plan she has ($500/month) will double to $1000/month. Because of the health exchanges. Because Obamacare requires essential benefits like maternity coverage that she doesn't need.

Her options for 2014 will be to pay $1200/month with employer or pay $1000/month with the health exchange. The current plan she pays for will no longer exist. She is not grandfathered.

And because of the IRS ruling. Because she is considered a W2 employee who has "access to affordable health insurance offered by her employer" she cannot get any federal subsidies even though she is clearly paying more than 9.5% of her AGI.

So Obamacare does not lower her premiums. She is screwed. There are many more like her who work for smaller employers who are mandated to offer affordable health insurance for the individual but not for their family.
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Old 05-22-2013, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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You don't get it. Currently without the ACA. She went on ehealthinsurance and got a good plan for $500/month with a $5000 deductible.

She opted out of her employer plan.

What Obamcarecare does is next year 2014. That same plan she has ($500/month) will double to $1000/month. Because of the health exchanges. Because Obamacare requires essential benefits like maternity coverage that she doesn't need.

Her options for 2014 will be to pay $1200/month with employer or pay $1000/month with the health exchange. The current plan she pays for will no longer exist. She is not grandfathered.

And because of the IRS ruling. Because she is considered a W2 employee who has "access to affordable health insurance offered by her employer" she cannot get any federal subsidies even though she is clearly paying more than 9.5% of her AGI.

So Obamacare does not lower her premiums. She is screwed. There are many more like her who work for smaller employers who are mandated to offer affordable health insurance for the individual but not for their family.
Like Crossfire said, Elect a liar idiot and you get idiotic solutions.
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Old 05-22-2013, 08:40 PM
 
Location: SoCal & Mid-TN
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We needed health care reform before Obamacare - and we still need it.
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