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Day before yesterday is was freezing in Toronto..then yesterday it was as hot as hell...tonight It is back to freezing...I don't think it is climate change...just climate disruption. There might not be global warming but their sure is a a crazy lady called mother nature that WE have driven insane.
I can buy that!...... I am no longer 'up' on the burning in SA...... would you be? Are they done is any thing left? Or did they quit? SA clear cutting practices were very primitive at best as i recall..
Clinton killed the timber industry in Alaska.
They clear cut a couple of islands in the Alaskan panhandle about 30 years ago, and they recently clear cut them again. Forests are a crop, just a very long lived crop so that you have to wait decades until they become ready for harvest. If we had 50 such islands, we could clear-cut one every year, endlessly.
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I am so sure the PC would defend their rights to clear cut all of SA at will and send metric tons of carbon sky high even if it added to the carbon foot print because the PC are insane!
You are lucky to live up there.. You don't have to witness the shear madness down here. Why can't the sugar maple just grow there? Hell maybe with all the arming they WILL!
Apparently we, as a nation, are more content letting Canadistan have a monopoly on lumber.
The sugar maple should grow fine in south central Alaska. Our winters are typically not that cold. Probably the biggest problem would be keeping the moose from eating them during the summer. They may be able to eat spruce, but they really love broad-leaf deciduous trees. All they normally get are birch and alder. Sugar maple might taste like candy to them.
Day before yesterday is was freezing in Toronto..then yesterday it was as hot as hell...tonight It is back to freezing...I don't think it is climate change...just climate disruption. There might not be global warming but their sure is a a crazy lady called mother nature that WE have driven insane.
For the last century there seems to be a pattern of warming and cooling trends every 30 to 40 years. From 1915 to 1945 was a period of global warming. From 1945 to 1980 was a period of global cooling. From 1980 to 2010 there was a period of global warming. We seem to be at the beginning of another global cooling trend.
It should also be noted that as we shifted from warming to cooling, and again from cooling to warming, the weather acted very erratically for about 5 years before and after.
Funny they told me the same thing back in the 70's about Global Cooling.
Ah! Can't imagine why nothing worked the first time around. Anyway, to business: I'm afraid you're a little hazy on who was saying what about ice ages 40 years ago. Have a go at this: www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=94
Here's the gist:
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The state of the science at the time (say, the mid 1970′s), based on reading the papers is, in summary: “…we do not have a good quantitative understanding of our climate machine and what determines its course. Without the fundamental understanding, it does not seem possible to predict climate…” (which is taken directly from NAS, 1975). In a bit more detail, people were aware of various forcing mechanisms – the ice age cycle; CO2 warming; aerosol cooling – but didn’t know which would be dominant in the near future. By the end of the 1970′s, though, it had become clear that CO2 warming would probably be dominant; that conclusion has subsequently strengthened.
George Will asserts that Science magazine (Dec. 10, 1976) warned about “extensive Northern Hemisphere glaciation.”. The quote is from Hays et al. But the quote is taken grossly out of context. Here, in full, is the small section dealing with prediction:
Future climate. Having presented evidence that major changes in past climate were associated with variations in the geometry of the earth’s orbit, we should be able to predict the trend of future climate. Such forecasts must be qualified in two ways. First, they apply only to the natural component of future climatic trends – and not to anthropogenic effects such as those due to the burning of fossil fuels. Second, they describe only the long-term trends, because they are linked to orbital variations with periods of 20,000 years and longer. Climatic oscillations at higher frequencies are not predicted. One approach to forecasting the natural long-term climate trend is to estimate the time constants of response necessary to explain the observed phase relationships between orbital variation and climatic change, and then to use those time constants in the exponential-response model. When such a model is applied to Vernekar’s (39) astronomical projections, the results indicate that the long-term trend over the next 20,000 years is towards extensive Northern Hemisphere glaciation and cooler climate (80).
There's something in there worth repeating, and this is it: "First, they apply only to the natural component of future climatic trends - and not to anthropogenic effects such as those due to the burning of fossil fuels. Second, they describe only the long-term trends, because they are linked to orbital variations with periods of 20,000 years and longer. Climatic oscillations at higher frequencies are not predicted."
So stop with the "in the 1970's they were predicting ice ages!" nonsense. You're wrong, the last person who made the argument was wrong, and the next person will be wrong too.
And some of us are enduring massive heat when we shouldn't be.
On what grounds do you establish that you "shouldn't be"?
That is, have you looked over your records in detail for the last 100+ years?
Have you EVER in the historical records had heat waves anywhere near what you have?
Go ahead, look up the records, provide us with some comparisons of the temps from the available records, both historically noted and that of the various means to which your area has recorded in its history officially.
How was it in the 1920's-1930's? Was it hot?
What do you know?
Or... are you simply sucking at the teat of the various political agencies telling you what is normal or abnormal, precedented or unprecedented?
Do you think for yourself or does someone do the thinking for you?
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they WILL!
